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Offline muzik

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2013, 03:07:26 PM »
He flew it 'right', but I think there are several better at turning it, at least from my experiences.  But it's relative to what I consider better.

I've found there are 3 general types of fighting:

1.  Those who fly timidly, extending at the slightest loss of an E advantage, usually reversing when they have friends.
2.  Those who fly somewhat aggressively, utilizing their planes strengths without playing into the hands of their enemy's strengths, extending when they lose offensive options. 
3.  Those who fly aggressively, fighting the other plane's fight, trying to win in ways the plane shouldn't.

Which makes the 'best' cartoon pilot?  Is it the guy that flies like #2, which is the probably the smartest way to fly?  Or is it the guy that flies like #3, which takes fancy ACMs, good coordination, and some luck?

Personally, I've found #3 to be more fun.  It was that way for me back in AW too.  I also really enjoy fighting the guys that fight the #3 method as well.

Well put. Cant really classify them any better than that. I would have to say that you cant really knock anyone for using any of these styles.

Number one is the only one you can really fault someone for, but can you really fault them? It's almost guaranteed they fly that way because they do not have the skill level to fly any more aggressively and survive. Then you have to ask how long have they played? If they are brand new, then they are flying wisely at their level but their fear of dying is going to hinder their rapid skill improvement.  

3 is definitely more fun.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2013, 03:36:06 PM »

The is no K/D mentioned on that table at all. It's labeled "percent" - It's the share of kills the P-51 has on this plane. the LA-5 made up 0.339 % of all kills by the P-51

I quoted the table I was referring to:

                                                          Kills                K/D
                                      La-5FN            81                0.339
                                         La-7           947                3.965


I don't see how I can be reading it incorrectly, but if so, do enlighten!

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2013, 03:41:00 PM »
                                               Late War Tour 155
                                                Kills by the P-51D
                                             Killed Model Type Killed Percent
                                          
                                                          Kills                K/D
                                      La-5FN            81                0.339
                                         La-7           947                3.965


This is the table you are referring to. the "K/D has been wrongly inserted by Slate. If you look at it, you still can see the original, correct colummn headers "Killed Model Type - Killed - Percent"


Here is the web address for this table he was trying to quote: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/pkd.php?type=1&selectTour=LWTour155&pindex=0
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2013, 03:57:07 PM »
Thank you for the correction, sirah! 

I guess the P-51D vs La-7 "K/D" should have clued me right off...
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2013, 05:34:34 PM »
steve? did he even log a sortie in the last 5 years?



So what....neither has Levi but there's no doubt he was the best Spit driver around.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2013, 05:37:23 PM »
So what....neither has Levi but there's no doubt he was the best Spit driver around.

Absolutely correct....none better!!!
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2013, 05:38:17 PM »
So what....neither has Levi but there's no doubt he was the best Spit driver around.

:rolleyes: legends grow stronger with time.  Bet Bruv could take him now, and possibly me as well.  Never fought Steve, but suspect I could take him too... since BigR's pony is... well... beatable. :D

Legends take on larger than life capabilities with the assistance of time. :old:

I'm sure they were both good though in their time. :)

Nuff said. :bolt:
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2013, 05:40:30 PM »
Levi would smear you, Midway.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2013, 05:41:17 PM »
Levi would smear you, Midway.

The proof would be in the pudding. :aok


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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2013, 05:50:07 PM »
The proof would be in the pudding. :aok

And Pudding is exactly what you would be...after he completely wiped the floor with you....he was and I would even say if he cam back within a week would smack you around like a rag doll when you were at the absolute top of your game.

No one since I have been here has ever matched him in a SpitV...ever.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2013, 05:54:31 PM »
And Pudding is exactly what you would be...after he completely wiped the floor with you....he was and I would even say if he cam back within a week would smack you around like a rag doll when you were at the absolute top of your game.

No one since I have been here has ever matched him in a SpitV...ever.

Would pay $15 extra to watch Levy vs Bruv fights to see proof of said pudding... and to have a go at him myself.

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2013, 06:02:55 PM »
Would pay $15 extra to watch Levy vs Bruv fights to see proof of said pudding... and to have a go at him myself.

:)

Yeah...I would...Ive seen Bruv in the V...he's good...damn good as a matter of fact...there are ALOT of good V flyers...but I'm telling you that in the old days when Levi was in the V that he could...and did on more than one occasion wax 4 , 5 , 6 cons at a time. 4 on 1's were not a problem...did he die? sure...was he the best in the V yes....


Look...I'm not gonna get in some pissin match with you...I've seen him beat up on guys that are still around and beating your donut on the reg.. so when I tell you that there was non better...don't believe me...ask....You may get a few that say different...but I think most if honest and remember him will tell you that he was the best. Given a lil time back in the saddle...he'd beat most if not all comers. He may have a bit with the better guys...but 3 out 5 I feel he'd win.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2013, 06:10:29 PM »
Midtwit couldn't hang with most of the folks I trained with....  some names that would own Whotwit easily-
Bovidae
Sniper
Levi
Fester
Stang
dedalos
creton
maneTMP/blukitty
yucca
barfinkV
Kappa
widewing
Murdr
wildthing
wetrat
KillinU


I'm sure I'm forgetting many, but these fellas weren't/aren't one trick ponies, they were ACM studs!  The likes of which Midtwit wouldn't be able to lift their jockstraps.... cept for ManeTMP since she doesn't wear a jockstrap! :devil


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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2013, 06:13:13 PM »
I flew and trained with most of them too and you :)
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2013, 06:16:05 PM »
Midtwit couldn't...

If you call me Midtwit one more time I may have to start substituting Cry for Sky. :old:
But I'm above such silly juvenile dark sided name calling. :old:
Please carry on with the intent of the OP. :old:
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