Fancy tricks

[Randy1]

One trick that all the big sticks have that I have seen every time I have an encounter  with one of them is they hit what they aim at with the first passing in front of their guns.   

[colmbo]

One trick that all the big sticks have that I have seen every time I have an encounter  with one of them is they hit what they aim at with the first passing in front of their guns.   

Yep.

If I ever learn to shoot I'll be dangerous.

[titanic3]

Or learn to get close enough where it's impossible to miss. Either way works. I fall into the "get close till they're in your face" crowd. 

[Brakechk]

I had asked in another thread how to do these after seeing films, mainly because it was possible and I wanted to know how to do this.  Ink posted how to do it and I went offline and practiced it until I could reasonably expect it to happen if I tried to make it happen.  However I haven't really found a good time to apply it's use in a fight with any frequency. 

I have done it on accident dueling squaddies in the DA.  It usually precludes a message informing me my squaddie just shot me down and is a result of overcontrolling.  It's always funny to hear "nice tailslide" followed a couple seconds later with a free trip to the tower.  Not saying it's useless (obviously it's not) but I think it's use is limited at least in terms of my abilities.

I think alot of times people see films of some fantastic/unique manuever/shots/reversals ect. and assume the these things are used every time in every fight by a few really good players.  I think that the really good players are really good because they can reliably control their plane on the edge of the envelope and know, understand and use good ACM. 

The films have a lot of unique stuff because it's unique...not because it's things they do every single fight.  That said, if I see it on a film I want to know how to do it so I don't assume that if someone asks they think it's a magic bullet.  If they do think that and try to use it that way they will quickly be able to sort out which manuevers work and which don't after a couple flights.

Zaphod

[mtnman]

...and I went offline and practiced it until I could reasonably expect it to happen if I tried to make it happen...

I have done it on accident... Not saying it's useless...

I think that the really good players are really good because they can reliably control their plane on the edge of the envelope and know, understand and use good ACM. 

If there's a value to "trick" flying, I suspect this touches on it.

I for one have spent a LOT of time in the TA, just in a corner by myself, practicing "trick" flying. 

Not because I see any value to using it in fights, but because it teaches me the very edges of the envelope; what controls and attitudes are likely to place me on it, or past it, and then how to recover from those attitudes.  I practice the maneuvers at lower and lower altitudes, and at different angles of entry and departure.  I learn to get quicker and quicker at recovering, sometimes to the point that although I may exceed the envelope and begin an undesirable departure, I can correct it quickly enough that my opponent may never even see it, and I won't lose much performance as a result...

I used to liken it to ice skating as a trainer teaching new players.  At first you slip and slide and fall all over the place.  Then you progress to the point where you react quick enough to "accidentally" prevent a fall (although it'll still look humorous and uncoordinated to others).  You then advance to where you can easily maintain your footing when these "moments" occur (and they're getting much more rare now anyway).  Finally, in the end you can move in almost unimaginable ways on the ice.  You can even devote your mental effort to something else (like a game of hockey) without ANY real mental effort being devoted to control/balance/corrective actions...

If a player with the last level of control (about 20% or so of AH players?) goes up against a player currently at ANY of the other levels of control ability in AH (about 80% of the population?) the outcome is pretty predictable and not surprising.  In addition to that, there are a certain number of players that exceed even the highest level of control most of us can ever achieve...  And there are certain players that have a phenomenal knack for understanding and applying the "3D" aspects of the environment that challenge all humans (who predominately exist in a 2D world)...

[Zacherof]

Well I have a fairly good knowledge of ACM, I'm just looking for something to throw at people for the sake of fun. I tend to fit my planes fights,  and avoiding knife fights if I can. If it comes down to it, I do what I can.

[acesav]

use pucachevs cobra. you turn off ur engine and immedietly pull up, the hit left rudder and they will fly right past you

[Zacherof]

use pucachevs cobra. you turn off ur engine and immedietly pull up, the hit left rudder and they will fly right past you
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you dug up a 5 month old thread? 
and on the topic! And! And that topgun move asell!!

[icepac]

I used to have issues being on the six of a P51 at D1000 and suddenly he's pointed right back at me HO and realized my 300ms to 450ms ping was causing this.

Since then, I've tried aces high on a computer with a better connection at work just to see what I am missing and things are much easier.

It's great when you can see what your opponent is doing closer to real time.

Interestingly, it seems the smoothing code in aces high works remarkably well because I have yet to hear a complaint of warping and rarely seen an opponent doing so except when it's really bad or being done on purpose.

When that happens, I see planes flying sideways or into the ground right before the hand of god pulls them back in behind me.

Make sure your system or connection isn't responsible for you seeing things that seem to defy physics.

Kappa seems to know the extreme corners of the flight models of a few planes that makes him nearly unbeatable at times.

[Ack-Ack]

use pucachevs cobra. you turn off ur engine and immedietly pull up, the hit left rudder and they will fly right past you

And give the bandit on your six a very easy kill.

ack-ack

[Zacherof]

And give the bandit on your six a very easy kill.

ack-ack

that's why I don't tailslide that often.

[Bruv119]

use pucachevs cobra. you turn off ur engine and immedietly pull up, the hit left rudder and they will fly right past you

   CHOP throttle,  they will fly right by.   

[Eric19]

<<<finally mastered the Hammerhead trick in my P40 lol it works well when you need to make someone overshoot or the enemy on your six stalls out before you do
just chop throttle and pull flaps all the way out and kick the rudder to the left in the P40
oh and you have to be Vertical lol

[Zacherof]

  CHOP throttle,  they will fly right by.   

do this all the time. All tho with slower planes it can be a double edged sword

[Midway]

Learning a "trick" only turns you into a one trick pony without any knowledge of what to do when you find yourself in a situation where your "trick" doesn't apply.  As Fugi and others have mentioned, take the time to learn BFM and ACM and practice, practice, practice.  This way your "bag of tricks" will be full and you won't find yourself empty handed in any situation.


Look at Midway...he only has one trick in his bag and dies quite easily because he doesn't know how to handle situations where he can't use his "trick".  Don't become a Midway.

ack-ack

 

Here are some of my tricks:

(1) When they come straight at you, veer off to the right slightly, let them think you won't HO, then as they hold their fire move that rudder with a quick slight snap and let 'em have it!
Softens them up for the next go around.  

(2) Flop like a fish down low, turning every which way, until you hear the "poof" telling you they hit the dirt reaching for you.  Then fly home with a   .

(3) If they are close behind you, dive a little to make them think you are going to speed up, then pull up, twist with ailerons, flaps out, full rudder as a brake, watch them zip by you confused, and let 'em have it from behind when they're in front of you looking for you.

(4) When they are above you, slowly dive, make them follow, and start a slow tightening diving turn.  They'll be faster than you since they are diving from higher... and watch 'em hit the dirt when they black out or... if they go back up, immediately follow them up and let 'em have it from below.

(5) When they are to the side of you and start firing, jump up slightly, turning in to them, then when they come around to try again, keep circling until you see 'em come straight at you.  Then see trick #1, above.

(6) When they are following you into the ack, turn tight circles, and enjoy the show, as they lose piece after piece of their pride and joy.. and determination... then you land nice and slow and proud.

(7) When they are in any other position, see trick #1, your fallback, when it's not your first choice.

Seven tricks...

...and a bonus...

(8) When they do get you often, up capped bases frequently, and HO on take off... gets their buds to come after you with even more vigor.  Then as you die frequently upping capped bases... you'll always be able to say "Hey, I up capped bases for fun!" ... when they try to make fun of your score.

...and a double bonus...

(9) Fly a Spitfire MK VIII and when you get in trouble just start climbing, and watch 'em struggle to keep up.  Then when they are nice and slow, quickly turn around and reuse trick #1 when they can hardly move.


...and just to make it an even ten...

(10) Go after the guy that is already heavily engaged, zoom by him with a quick pull of the trigger, and you got yourself an easy score.  Might have to turn the vox volume down though since your country bud, whom fought so hard to get that one, has to watch you fly away with his victory.  Just 'click' the mic and say...

"there may be other bad guys in the area"    

...and land the victory checking to see how many perkies that earned you.  

 


PS:  Works for me and I think I can down roughly 95% of pilots these days.