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Offline coombz

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Re: Picking
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2013, 02:02:12 PM »
Chalenge got his wife via mail order :old:

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titanic you will never own anyone in anything. . .

The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here...In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.


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this is the guy that goes crazy whenever someone proposes a change to the ENY system in the Wishlist forum because he can't fly anything except a pony...

and he can only do that at ~30k ;---)
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Re: Picking
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2013, 02:04:19 PM »
This sums it up nicely, except it doesn't quite 'come together' so much as it occupies the same space.  Any fair fight you have, you have to create for yourself and the rest of the arena may move in your direction at any time to horn in on your fight.  I think that's the main source of the friction, is people are having a fair fight, then other people appear that affect that fair fight.

Well said and thank you.  My wordsmithing sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

Looking at the title of this thread got me to thinking.  Being labeled a picker seems to be directly tied to whether or not someone could beat you in a traditional dogfight or not.  Fester is the classic example for me.  My AH infancy included the constant scourge of Fester zooming around in a 262 picking the ever-loving-hell out of anything and everything. I think I can count on one hand the times I saw Fester not in a 262.  Yet, nobody seriously considered him a picker.  I realize he's been around since Moby Dick was a minnow, and he certainly has a bit of an ACM master reputation, but does that make one immune from the label of "picker"? 

I also remember a thread in which he posted his motivations were actually trying to live through every sortie, and that when he finally died, he kind of lost interest in the game.  That's certainly different than the absolute warrior ethos many champion... but is it wrong?

These questions vex me.  Also, I have almost nothing to do at work today.  Sorry dudes.

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Re: Picking
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2013, 02:41:14 PM »

Looking at the title of this thread got me to thinking.  Being labeled a picker seems to be directly tied to whether or not someone could beat you in a traditional dogfight or not.  Fester is the classic example for me.  My AH infancy included the constant scourge of Fester zooming around in a 262 picking the ever-loving-hell out of anything and everything. I think I can count on one hand the times I saw Fester not in a 262.  Yet, nobody seriously considered him a picker.  I realize he's been around since Moby Dick was a minnow, and he certainly has a bit of an ACM master reputation, but does that make one immune from the label of "picker"? 

I also remember a thread in which he posted his motivations were actually trying to live through every sortie, and that when he finally died, he kind of lost interest in the game.  That's certainly different than the absolute warrior ethos many champion... but is it wrong?

These questions vex me.  Also, I have almost nothing to do at work today.  Sorry dudes.

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That's a point that doesn't get brought up much, because from what I've seen very few guys who are top shelf duelists pick in the MA.  Most of the people who whine about being picked usually do so because in their opinion that guy never would've beaten them in a fair fight.  Then comes the DA challenge, then comes the forum thread whether the DA challenge happens or not.

Occasionally, you've got a guy like Fester who can take 99% of the people who talk crap at him.

Mentioning Fester does remind me of one time though that applies to the whole difference in goals mentioned in this thread.

I was in the MA and an enemy 262 was laying waste to a friendly conga line in between two bases.  'Enemy 262 in the area' is one of the fastest ways to get me to up a 262.  A lot of people who run them don't dogfight terribly well on equal terms in them with some notable exceptions of course.

We found each other, with prop planes from both sides within icon range and started to fight.  I figured out after about 2 turns this was one of those notable exception type guys.  I knew from my trip over to the feeding 262 that there were a handful of friendly ponies headed that way grabbing.  I had my hands full just staying away from the sharp end of his plane, never mind getting a firing solution on him, but I was having success not getting shot.

I changed my goal from killing him to bleeding his E and alt while keeping the fight more towards the friendlies than the red guys who were headed towards us.  I had to evade a couple of passes from enemy aircraft during the fight, but eventually what wound up happening was a friendly pony managed to wound the 262, at that point I closed in and finished it, don't recall getting the kill or not though.  Turned out it was Fester.

Now I can already hear the fair fight brigade sucking wind to berate me for not fighting fair.  The way I look at the MA, that is an example of exactly the difference between a duel and an MA fight.  Our sides were clashing, and I used the resources I had to kill him.  My goal wasn't to have a Marquis of Queensbury duel with the other guy in the jet, it was to get him to stop inhibiting my side's control over that airspace.  I succeeded in that instance.

I don't think much of people that fly around exclusively looking for people to pick, and only ever pick, but it is one of the tools in the box that does help your side control airspace effectively.

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Re: Picking
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2013, 02:44:34 PM »
So, your objective is to milk the community as much as possible for score.... at least you own up to it. :aok   No different than folks that only look for undefended bases to capture... its their right to do so... but they will get no respect from me. :aok

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Re: Picking
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2013, 02:54:03 PM »
The way I was told fits AH for specifics;
Cherrying Uppers
Picking Fighters

Some of the guys much newer than me have even more bizarre definitions; Vulching being engaging a con with low alt or E, that was my favourite.

Unfortunately, the way you were told is incorrect.  "Cherry picking" has always been defined in the online flight sim community as previously mentioned in my other post, it's just been shortened to "picking" for ease of use, not to change the meaning.  Just because people come up with their own definition doesn't change the original definition.  It's like vulching, it's always meant to engage someone that is in the process of taking off or landing and not the popular misconception of enagaging a plane low and slow on the deck.

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Re: Picking
« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2013, 02:58:28 PM »
Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!


Your "153 kills vs. 4 deaths" doesn't indicate any knowledge, let alone prowess in ACM.  It just means you're a rather timid player that strives not to get himself into positions where anything other than bouncing or picking the enemy is required.  When caught in a 1v1 or in a situation where you have to fight your way out of, you're pretty much clueless if you can't nose over and dive and runaway because you've come to the realization that fighting is a serious part of the game you lack, so you resort to timid tactics to make up for your short comings.

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Re: Picking
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2013, 03:01:45 PM »
Chalenge got his wife via mail order :old:

gfg


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this is the guy that goes crazy whenever someone proposes a change to the ENY system in the Wishlist forum because he can't fly anything except a pony...

and he can only do that at ~30k ;---)
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Re: Picking
« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2013, 03:08:07 PM »
Chalenge brought it up himself in another thread, I'm not mentioning anything that isn't already a known fact ;o

And hey, I didn't insult his family like he did to ink :old:

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Re: Picking
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2013, 06:14:31 PM »
It's like vulching, it's always meant to engage someone that is in the process of taking off or landing and not the popular misconception of enagaging a plane low and slow on the deck.


Assuming a vulture is the tag for someone vulching other players, "the ground" seems to extend to above 5k these days...





(And no, it wasn't a 'pick' either, there were no other cons around at all ;) )
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Re: Picking
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2013, 06:16:22 PM »

Assuming a vulture is the tag for someone vulching other players, "the ground" seems to extend to above 5k these days...


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(And no, it wasn't a 'pick' either, there were no other cons around at all ;) )

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Re: Picking
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2013, 06:27:35 PM »
There's no use in wasting you breath with him. Chalenge flat out knows it all, he is right and everyone else is stupid and wrong.


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Re: Picking
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2013, 06:40:27 PM »
I get picks, I give picks, but it's the 12 v Me that I just gotta gripe about sometimes - in this situation, would it be moraly correct to call the now-baker's-dozen a picknit basket on 200?
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Re: Picking
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2013, 06:54:52 PM »

Quoted for absolute truth  :banana:

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Only 100? I'm offended.  :old:

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Re: Picking
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2013, 09:08:13 PM »
Only 100? I'm offended.  :old:

He is trying to support a family in FL as well as having blown a chunk of change on some new guns. Be happy he's prying the 100 out!

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Re: Picking
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2013, 09:28:56 PM »
I get picks, I give picks, but it's the 12 v Me that I just gotta gripe about sometimes - in this situation, would it be moraly correct to call the now-baker's-dozen a picknit basket on 200?
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