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Re: Picking
« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2013, 10:12:26 PM »
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Re: Picking
« Reply #91 on: January 22, 2013, 03:18:47 AM »
I am with SirNuke.  Seems to me we can cherry pick, gulch, bnz, or mix it in some sort of suicidal death wish frenzy as we wish

We just choose what ever takes our fancy at the time......... There ain't no rulz...... There ain't no etiquette ......

Unless the individual wishes to apply it to himself......any assumption to expect it of others or indeed lobby for it here is really an attempt to make others do as one would have them do........ Better just to do as we would have others do to us IMO.

The beauty of the MA is that we should expect nothing from our opponents ............... Anything goes......

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Re: Picking
« Reply #92 on: January 22, 2013, 03:53:30 AM »
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I've seen everything as fair game. Whether it's picking, HOing, ganging... if you died in one of these scenerios it's because you failed to keep up your SA and got killed. I would know, I died these ways every day because of lack of SA. Why someone feels the need to jump in on a red guy who's already out numbered 4 to 1, I still have yet to understand this. Don't worry too much about pickers. If you see one diving in on your 1v1 they are either a bad pilot, a bad shot, or (usually) both. Just turn into his attack, force the overshoot, rolling back into him and fill him with led! 

The less time you spend worrying about how "dweeby" someone else flies and the more time you spend on thinking how you can shoot them down, the better you will become. 

Gets my vote for best reply to this thread.  It truly explains my attitude towards these things.

I don't understand sending an angry pm to other players that don't fly the way you want them to.  Any way you cut it, in the end it's your own darn fault.

Caveat.  Words cannot express the hatred I have for the pony that HOs and then extends to 7k or runs to ack.  I will send this person an angry pm once they've bled out from that 800yrd ping I gave them on the reversal.

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Re: Picking
« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2013, 07:12:45 AM »
I am with SirNuke.
Thats one thing. An other is, Nuke never ever insults anyone about what a newb they are and how do they suck. Also, in fact, he knows how to handle a co-E, same planes 1v1 other than the instant ackrunning.
What i wanted to say. Nuke isnt one of my favourites - betcha its working vice versa too. But he isnt generating instad hatred from everyone.
If that means something.
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Re: Picking
« Reply #94 on: January 22, 2013, 07:33:50 AM »
I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:

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Re: Picking
« Reply #95 on: January 22, 2013, 08:39:50 AM »
I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:



So a picker that is known to both handle is airplane well in a traditional dogfight AND accepts DA challenges by aggrieved pilots is more palatable and actually accepted over the same activity by someone who does not. 

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Re: Picking
« Reply #96 on: January 22, 2013, 08:54:15 AM »
Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........
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Re: Picking
« Reply #97 on: January 22, 2013, 09:05:02 AM »
Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........
I am afraid one of us couldnt get the OPs main point.
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Re: Picking
« Reply #98 on: January 22, 2013, 09:45:10 AM »
You two have completely different playing styles that is all. Chalenge plays as if he were flying for real and will avoid going into a situation where he's not in complete control. Nothing really wrong with that IMO, but most of us would find that style to be boring and less rewarding.

Now Shida on the other hand IMO...likes the excitement of close, fast in your face air combat which most of the player base enjoys. A death is really no big deal as you can up rinse and repeat.

It's just 2 different approaches to the game. Neither is right or wrong.


Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.

If our lives were actually on the line, wouldn't we all be pickers? Yes I know...our lives are not actually in danger. And that's why I play the way I do. It's just a mindset or approach to game play.



This statement…
Picking is just a term people made up for explaining away their lack of SA or their target fixation.
…stirred me to a response. So here it is.
 
“Picking” – Definition:  To engage a bandit who is engaged with a friendly for the purpose of getting an easy kill, without being asked by friendly for assistance, and not having asked the friendly if it was OK.
“Picker” – Definition: Someone who gets 30% or more of their kills by “picking”.

This is not to be confused with…

“Clearing” – Definition: Killing a bandit engaged with a friendly at the request of the friendly.
“Furballing” – Definition:  Engaged in a multi-bandit, multi-friendly dog fight with too many targets for a pilot to track and react to. Hence every plane is a potential threat, to everyone.
“Ganging” – Definition:  When the Friendly vs. Bandit is equal to or greater than 2:1
“Defending” – Definition:  All combat in the act of preserving a map resource. I.E. a field, CV, Port, Town, V-Base, etc...

The other acts as described are not “picking”. They may seem the same (shooting a pilot when engaged with another), but circumstances determine how the act is defined.  In all other acts, shooting an engaged bandit is perfectly acceptable. Note: It’s never “Picking”, if you kill someone who is “ganging”. Ganging is never perfectly fine, but that’s a different discussion.
 
Picking, as defined here, is always lame. It’s unsportsmanlike to your team mates, as well as your competitors. If you want a kill, you should earn it like your team is trying do. If you fail to respect your team mates and your competitors, you are rightfully mocked as a tool. Yes, you paid your $15.00, but so did the two people whose fight you ruined. Nothing in the MA prevents bad behavior, only you can do that. Pretending that it’s not bad behavior is “rationalization”, or the act of convincing yourself that you are not a tool. Some Pickers are those dysfunctional types that psychotically enjoy other people’s unhappiness.  Many are just clueless and wrapped up the moment. They see a bad guy and they are programmed to kill it, so they do. But there are some who find it the only way to compete. They are driven by the frustration of their lack of Dog fighting success, and since they feel no sense of mercy from anyone in the MA, they extend none.  Everyone falls into situations where they pick someone. I’ve done it. I try to avoid it, because I respect the right of my teammates to fight their own fights. I don’t gripe about every pick. The MA is a helter-skelter kind of place, stuff happens.

I do have little respect for the career pickers. You know the ones. 90% of their kills are picks. They cruise around the map at alt in a Pony, Dora, or Perk ride, looking for distracted targets they can steal from their teammates. If anyone turns toward them, they run. These folks are parasites, adding nothing to the game for anyone.  They fail the golden rule test. The Golden Rule: “If everyone played like me, would the game be better or worse?”  Imagine how terrible this game would be, if everyone spent all their time trying to climb to higher alt than everyone else, and then running away from anyone that was co-alt or higher? After you spent two nights burning tank after tank of virtual gas, only to land time after time with all your bullets, you would quit and find a fun game to play. Career pickers should be called out for their lameness, because the game is only as good as the quality of its players. Career pickers, are not quality players.
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Re: Picking
« Reply #99 on: January 22, 2013, 09:46:50 AM »
Is this thread about picking or about how some would like to define "nice soldiers"........

Yes.

No, players invented the derogatory term 'pick' to accurately describe that it involves less skill than actually earning your kill through ACM. In my experience all of the picker specialists have realised they can't do the ACM to a high level so do this instead. You can try to equate it all you like, but I'm never going to agree that picking is anywhere near on the same skill or merit level as ACM-based fighting and I don't think you will find many who are willing to agree with you either.

The above is the generally accepted opinion held by the community if we were to simply say the word "picker".  Most of those who get that label primarily use picking/wingman tactics ("loose deuce" flying strongly encourages picking) to get their kills.  What I have noticed in my short stay on these boards, is that there are those members who fly in an almost identical fashion to the "pickers" yet get no such label.

Lack of ACM accreditation seems to be the qualifier.  I think it's entirely relevant to the discussion.  Do you like to pick?  Hate that ugly name?  Study, practice, obtain accreditation, and keep flying the same way.  Done.     

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Re: Picking
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2013, 10:26:18 AM »
This, is, without a doubt, a pick.   :aok

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Re: Picking
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2013, 11:03:18 AM »

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

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Re: Picking
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2013, 11:25:48 AM »
Thats one thing. An other is, Nuke never ever insults anyone about what a newb they are and how do they suck. Also, in fact, he knows how to handle a co-E, same planes 1v1 other than the instant ackrunning.
What i wanted to say. Nuke isnt one of my favourites - betcha its working vice versa too. But he isnt generating instad hatred from everyone.
If that means something.

lol thanks debrody I appreciate the gesture, I have nothing against you since you put some water in your whine  ;)


I remember when I pressed Nuke about his picking of my fight with someone, he gladly took up the DA offer.
More pickers need that built into their characters :old:



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Re: Picking
« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2013, 11:28:47 AM »



I do have little respect for the career pickers. You know the ones. 90% of their kills are picks. They cruise around the map at alt in a Pony, Dora, or Perk ride, looking for distracted targets they can steal from their teammates. If anyone turns toward them, they run. These folks are parasites, adding nothing to the game for anyone.  They fail the golden rule test. The Golden Rule: “If everyone played like me, would the game be better or worse?”  Imagine how terrible this game would be, if everyone spent all their time trying to climb to higher alt than everyone else, and then running away from anyone that was co-alt or higher? After you spent two nights burning tank after tank of virtual gas, only to land time after time with all your bullets, you would quit and find a fun game to play. Career pickers should be called out for their lameness, because the game is only as good as the quality of its players. Career pickers, are not quality players.

Thanks for taking the time to type this out, it is exactly the way I feel and why I typed "milking the community" to sir nuke earlier in this thread... I've said the exact same thing to squaddies just recently after watching/chasing several of these types and trying to engage them...  

quick story- one night me and some squaddies were getting harassed by a cowardly picking pony that would never engage until we had a few on us and if you climbed up to meet him he would fly out of sight like he's leaving only to come back when you got engaged and do a one pass and run like hell.  So 2 of us upped -4hogs and climbed out to meet him... we flew in 2 directions to cutoff his escape, he must have saw us on dar and slight nose down dove out for almost 2 sectors deep into his country... my squaddie got bored an rtb'd...  I climbed up to see if he would try to come back with alt, a couple of times he did, but when he saw I was higher(even before icon range) he dove back to friendly territory... I finally gave up...  just as lame as any gaming experience could get... mind you that when we were engaged he was very aggressive and not a bad shot, so it wasn't a newb... So I told a squaddie that I didn't recognize the guy's name and asked if he was new, they told me he was not new and that he was a trainer.... WTF??? Training others to play this way????  

To be clear, I don't mind someone occasionally playing this way, as I believe in mixing up your gaming experience... but the ones that always play this way are on the bottom of the barrel in my opinion.  I have more respect for midHOwhotwit than these types, at least he puts himself in the fight.  :aok

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Re: Picking
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2013, 11:44:25 AM »
I have more respect for midHOwhotwit than these types, at least he puts himself in the fight.  :aok

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