Late night ENY issues

[tunnelrat]

What if ENY was based on the number of fields you owned?   

[jeffdn]

Now if you come up with an idea to kick some one in plane or GV. Think how it easy it would be to get around your idea.

What if after detecting no input from the inactive plane/vehicle for an hour, a dialog box pops up in the corner like the "join" dialog, asking if they are still playing? It could have a five or ten minute timeout before it actually booted anyone in case it popped up while they were AFK for a couple minutes.

[hitech]

Horse Hockey!

I also see this a lot, where Bish are outnumbered any way you look at it, and yet the enemy does not suffer an ENY. This is what gets people upset.

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Just so I understand you, you wish ENY to kick in as soon as one country has 1 more person the the others , I.E. Out Numbed?

HiTech

[jeffdn]

Just so I understand you, you wish ENY to kick in as soon as one country has 1 more person the the others , I.E. Out Numbed?

I think he was just pointing to the specific example he posted, wherein the Bishops have 29 and 34 players less than the Rooks and Knights, respectively. In the example, that's almost 50% more players on each side, yet neither has an ENY.

[kvuo75]

I think he was just pointing to the specific example he posted, wherein the Bishops have 29 and 34 players less than the Rooks and Knights, respectively. In the example, that's almost 50% more players on each side, yet neither has an ENY.

because it's based on the % of total, eg. 36.9 vs 27.6% one of the countries needs 10% more of the total than the lowest for it to start kicking in, in other words, either knights go up to 37.6% or bish drop down to 26.9%

btw, next time you're outnumbered, check your perk bonus in the hangar

[Chalenge]

Just so I understand you, you wish ENY to kick in as soon as one country has 1 more person the the others , I.E. Out Numbed?

HiTech

No. What I am saying is that when people see numbers like those they get upset. I wish the country stats page told them straight up what the ENY is based on. If you try to tell people what you (HTC) have said in the past there will always be people that state something to the contrary. I have already seen what happens in early war when just a few people one way or the other kicks in ENY.

[HawkerMKII]

Horse Hockey!

I also see this a lot, where Bish are outnumbered any way you look at it, and yet the enemy does not suffer an ENY. This is what gets people upset.

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give it up your just

[Chalenge]

Hawker, you are not helping, and clueless.

The problem is most users don't have a lot of desire to learn about percentages and statistics. The term 'ENY' itself does not help convey reason to the riddle. So, what happens in the MA is people run into larger numbers then they have, repeatedly. When they look at ENY they see a '0,' then they get into the mindset of 'fairness.' The next thing you know they are sending out 'we are losing' messages in the chat buffer. Then when they finally wear themselves out stressing over numbers they are convinced they are going to lose the map and stop doing anything strategically. That's when we start reading things in the buffer like 'it doesn't matter what we do' when in reality they have never known what to do in the first place.

So many players are allergic to pork it's not even funny! (you can quote me)

[tunnelrat]

What about....

ENY = (average planes in flight over the last hour with ENY values less than x)+(# bases captured in the last hour * y*size/type) - (# of bases lost in the last hour *y*size/type) + (overall hourly averaged damage to that countries strat facilities)

What this means is that a sampling is taken of planes with say, ENY 20 or lower (just as an example) in flight every 5 or 10 minutes, then averaged for the past hour every 15-30-60 minutes (whatever isn't going to hammerbang the server).

Next, a value is added for # of bases taken (call it simulating the logistics of an extended supply line) and subtracted for the number and size/type lost.  (call it simulating the resources and supply benefits of contracting supply chain).

Lastly, the total damage average over the last hour to the countries strategic supply resource facilities is added.

Now you incorporate the economic logistical burden of the higher value planes actually in flight... you average it to prevent hotspots/missions from throwing it off... you take into account a team steamrolling or getting steamrolled, and finally you put some of the power in the hands of the players by making attacking enemy strats or resupplying your own strats affect the overall availability of choice equipment.  

Another thing that might be nice: have varying levels of supply.  If ENY is at level 1, all bases are supplied.  When level 2 is reached, front line bases can no longer support planes affected by that level of ENY.  At level 3, all bases experience shortages and no <ENY aircraft/vehicles are available.

I am absolutely certain this will work perfectly, everyone will be happy, and Hitech can coad it in mere minutes!!  

[Tinkles]

What about....

ENY = (average planes in flight over the last hour with ENY values less than x)+(# bases captured in the last hour * y*size/type) - (# of bases lost in the last hour *y*size/type) + (overall hourly averaged damage to that countries strat facilities)

What this means is that a sampling is taken of planes with say, ENY 20 or lower (just as an example) in flight every 5 or 10 minutes, then averaged for the past hour every 15-30-60 minutes (whatever isn't going to hammerbang the server).

Next, a value is added for # of bases taken (call it simulating the logistics of an extended supply line) and subtracted for the number and size/type lost.  (call it simulating the resources and supply benefits of contracting supply chain).

Lastly, the total damage average over the last hour to the countries strategic supply resource facilities is added.

Now you incorporate the economic logistical burden of the higher value planes actually in flight... you average it to prevent hotspots/missions from throwing it off... you take into account a team steamrolling or getting steamrolled, and finally you put some of the power in the hands of the players by making attacking enemy strats or resupplying your own strats affect the overall availability of choice equipment.  

Another thing that might be nice: have varying levels of supply.  If ENY is at level 1, all bases are supplied.  When level 2 is reached, front line bases can no longer support planes affected by that level of ENY.  At level 3, all bases experience shortages and no <ENY aircraft/vehicles are available.

I am absolutely certain this will work perfectly, everyone will be happy, and Hitech can coad it in mere minutes!!  

+1 to TunnelRat's Idea.

 

[Delirium]

My idea a long time ago was to keep ENY but split it up between country and zone ENY. You can offset country ENY by flying in an area of very few friendlies or possibly suffer ENY for migrating to an area with many friendlies within. Allow me to explain...

Logging in one night, you notice that the countries are evenly split.. You could;

1. Fly in an area with many other countrymen and fly a higher ENY aircraft.
2. Fly in an area with roughly an even ratio of friendly to enemy aircraft and fly whatever you want.
3. Fly in an area with a very large ratio of enemy aircraft and fly a perk ride for very low cost.

This idea is good for those that don't want to switch countries, as they can log on with an ENY penalty but negate some or even all of it by not joining the larger group of friendlies (again, IF the number of friendlies out numbers the enemy aircraft).

edit: I would minimize or even disable zone ENY for any country that has few remaining fields as their virtual backs are against the wall and overall airbase numbers are lower.

[HawkerMKII]

Hawker, you are not helping, and clueless.

The problem is most users don't have a lot of desire to learn about percentages and statistics. The term 'ENY' itself does not help convey reason to the riddle. So, what happens in the MA is people run into larger numbers then they have, repeatedly. When they look at ENY they see a '0,' then they get into the mindset of 'fairness.' The next thing you know they are sending out 'we are losing' messages in the chat buffer. Then when they finally wear themselves out stressing over numbers they are convinced they are going to lose the map and stop doing anything strategically. That's when we start reading things in the buffer like 'it doesn't matter what we do' when in reality they have never known what to do in the first place.

So many players are allergic to pork it's not even funny! (you can quote me)

clueless.........you think i like when it looks like this.......

Side A 146 players........eny 0
Side B 210 players .......eny 2.9
Side C 165 players........eny 0

or
Side A 44 players .........eny 15.4
Side B 23 players..........eny 0
Side C 40 players..........eny 9.4............I know I know it's all about the percentages...blows my mind, you can be out numbered by 60 players no eny, but be damned to have 20 more

[Chalenge]

clueless.........you think i like when it looks like this.......

I think your earlier response with the horse image was an attempt to be clever, but you missed the mark. I have not complained about the eny here, but I am a little tired of the whiners in the chat buffer.

[Lusche]

I know I know it's all about the percentages...blows my mind, you can be out numbered by 60 players no eny, but be damned to have 20 more

When are you more outnumbered?

A) 2 vs 22
or
B)  200 vs 220

hey, it's 20 players more in both cases, so it should be the same ENY ... shouldn't it?