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Offline Weirdguy

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Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« on: January 29, 2013, 05:20:16 AM »
I like flying the Bf-109's as I have a thing for the German planes, and got really used to the 109's and their party trick, their insanely high climb rate.

Looking at the speed charts for the 109's the G2 and the K4 are the two fastest planes in the group, both able to get to 400mph.

I tend to fly the K4 the most because it is a bit faster, but I also hate that limited ammo of the 30mm cannon.

Which one of these two do you think is better?

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 05:45:57 AM »
I dunno sir, but if I had to take a wild guess...off the top of my head..maybe.........uhm..err. th-

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Offline Weirdguy

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 06:03:50 AM »
And this is why I don't often post in the main forum.  You don't get useful discussions, you get things like that.

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 06:09:23 AM »
Looking at the speed charts for the 109's the G2 and the K4 are the two fastest planes in the group, both able to get to 400mph.
I tend to fly the K4 the most because it is a bit faster, but I also hate that limited ammo of the 30mm cannon.


Actually the G-14 is significantly faster than then the G-2 at the most common combat altitudes of Aces High, only above 20K the G-2 has some slight edge. Below 16k, the G-14 at almost 20mph faster @WEP.
If you would prefer the K-4 over the G-2 for it's increased performance, but don't like the 30mm cannon, the G-14 is your ride as it's featuring a 20mm option. With the ability to carry additional gunpods or a bomb it's also a more versatile fighter.
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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 06:09:42 AM »
Well, what do you want?
Turn with spits? G2 is your plane. Catch the runstangs? K4 is your friend.
If i had to choose, my vote would be on the K4 because maneuverability can be replaced with skills (for a definiate level) but no trining will ever get you any faster.
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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 06:11:27 AM »
It was a joke, but serious. The K4 (In My Opinion) is the best 109 of the series, when you get to learn the plane it'll do things you would never think it could. Turn with spitfires, climb with 38's, diving..well...not so much - learn the tater and it can truly be one of, if not the best plane in the game. Of course you will not succeed with either the G2 or K4 if you don't stick to one and learn how its limitations, how to fly it, and how to aim it. The K4's guns are obviously far superior, yes it has a limited ammo load but consider this, it can take 20 or more 20mm's from a g2 (depending on your aim of course) to down a plane. It takes only 1 30mm from the K4's Mk108 to disable and/or down a plane.
Yes, the G2 turns tighter but you will still beat g2's and even spitfires in a turn fight once you get into mid/advanced level ACM. IMO the K4 feels like it will easily climb with and/or hang with planes in the verticle due to its massive engine, most people new to the K4 will simply flop over due to the massive engine's torque, this can be countered obviously by some rudder and throttle inputs.
If you want lessons in the K4 PM me on here or in game, I'll show you a thing or two in it.

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 06:28:19 AM »
It was a joke, but serious. The K4 (In My Opinion) is the best 109 of the series, when you get to learn the plane it'll do things you would never think it could. Turn with spitfires, climb with 38's, diving..well...not so much - learn the tater and it can truly be one of, if not the best plane in the game. Of course you will not succeed with either the G2 or K4 if you don't stick to one and learn how its limitations, how to fly it, and how to aim it. The K4's guns are obviously far superior, yes it has a limited ammo load but consider this, it can take 20 or more 20mm's from a g2 (depending on your aim of course) to down a plane. It takes only 1 30mm from the K4's Mk108 to disable and/or down a plane.
Yes, the G2 turns tighter but you will still beat g2's and even spitfires in a turn fight once you get into mid/advanced level ACM. IMO the K4 feels like it will easily climb with and/or hang with planes in the verticle due to its massive engine, most people new to the K4 will simply flop over due to the massive engine's torque, this can be countered obviously by some rudder and throttle inputs.
If you want lessons in the K4 PM me on here or in game, I'll show you a thing or two in it.

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 11:06:49 AM »
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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 11:33:09 AM »
If the only thing you don't like about the K4 is the 30mm, you might want to take the time to learn how to use the 30mm.  There are far, far better people to teach you how to use it, but here's the basic gist of how I use it:

- Don't fire outside of 200 yards in the beginning.  The dispersion on it starts to look like silly string outside of 500 yards, and bullet drop is significant.  If you connect, they die, but it's tough to reliably hit them from far.
- Try for 2 or 3 round bursts.  As you get better with it, single rounds are the goal.
- Try to set up shots where they are crossing your nose showing more of the plane as opposed to trying to put a bullet stream into them from dead six.  It only takes 1, maybe 2 taters to wreck a fighter unless you put it into one of the horizontal stabilizers.  Engine hits may or may not be critical.  Otherwise, you put one on a fighter, it goes down.  It's a bit counterintuitive, but it really does work.

For myself personally, I fly it what I call 'execution style'.  I get in as close as I can, put the barrel against the back of his head, and pull the trigger.  Ideally, I'm 100 yards or closer when I pull the trigger and the guy is in planform filling my windscreen.

In the beginning, the K4 is an easy plane to survive in, tough plane to kill in.  As you get the 30mm figured out, it becomes one of the most potent planes in the game.

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 08:25:23 PM »


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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2013, 08:34:45 PM »
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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2013, 08:40:54 PM »
And this is why I don't often post in the main forum.  You don't get useful discussions, you get things like that.
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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2013, 08:56:21 PM »
Better is a a very broad term and like most aircraft comparisons it depends on the role in which the plane is used.

The K4 is best used as in interceptor.  That is what it was designed to do and that is what it does best.  For all practical purposes the 109G is a better dogfighter.  Sure, some will be quick with the knee jerk in disagreeing with me and that is fine, but the 30mm is limited in many ways.  While it only takes 1-2 hits with the 30mm to bring down another it is a lot harder to use that 30mm vs the 20mm thanks to velocity and trajectory.  The K-4 is limited in what tricks it can rely on and the same can't be said for the G models.  The G-14 is more like the K-4 than the G-6/G-2, and the G-2 is more like the F-4 than the G-6/G-14.  Like most planes the later the war goes the more speed becomes a factor and the less common the tight turning planes.

I for one will hardly ever take the 109K-4 for anything. I'd rather take the 109G-14 with the triple 20mm bomber hunting that the K-4 and the single 30mm.  While the K-4 is the fastest and climbs the best of the 109's, it is also the most quirky. It is the worst turning 109 and it is also quick to drop that left wing when trying to "ride the edge", heavy rudder is a lifesaver.

If a player wants to tinker with the 109's there really is no "better".  They all are good planes that should not get in to a blatant turn fight, or chase a P51 or P47 in a dive when they lose their advantage.  However, the 109F-4 and G-2 will surprise a lot of fighters in the turn.  The 109G-6 is the most stable and forgiving 109, learn that and the others are easier to grasp.   :)

Someone mentioned the E-4... yeah, fun to tinker with in the EW and MW arenas but suicide even more so than the P40's in the LW arena.    :)

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 09:03:51 PM »
The Krutch4 stops, with their practiced move, and resumes full speed better.  :O  I wonder if it could really do that ... :rolleyes:

I wish Nath would elaborate a little more...  :headscratch:

I fly my G2 w/gondies.. so I start out with the more difficult plane and the disadvantage in most cases.

I can get most <without the special move> fairly easy :) I can even surprise some of the <special move > folks on occasion. :banana:


G2 all the way but the F is best... well it was...  :cry


In the beginning, the K4 is an easy plane to survive in, tough plane to kill in.  As you get the 30mm figured out, it becomes one of the most potent planes in the game.
Wiley.

Perk the K4  :aok

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Okay..Add 2 Country's at once, Australia and France next plane update Add ...CAC Boomerang and the Dewoitine D.520

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Re: Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2013, 09:18:41 PM »
The g-14 :aok

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