GV Wish List

[Vinkman]

EXACTLY

Its a compromise between ease of play and difficulty of play.  If you had to create a new account and log back in every time you got killed it might make things a tiny bit more realistic but I don't think the game would last too long. That said, the Tiger thing does seem to draw a lot of grumbles and the .ef delay sounds like a good solution.  What would be the downside if it applied everywhere?

Perhaps the GV .ef model could be changes to having to be in the hangar. Then you'd have to drive inside before ending a sortie safely. The concrete was a fine idea for the planes but since GV are fully combat operational on the concrete, perhaps that not a good end sortie position for them.   

[R 105]

Complete absolutist drivel.

You simply can't admit that airplanes are not magically invisible in a tank's gunsight.

You do not know what you are talking about. You could fly a 747 over a tank and Chances are you would not even hear it over the noise in the tank. If you ever looked though a real main gun optic you would say the same as I am. The hole in the trunk of your car is about as good as I can explane it. I have fired over 100 105mm tank rounds and maybe a 2000 sub rounds at all kinds of target as well as looked through most WWII tank sights at the Patton museum. Tank rounds should not hit flying planes in the game. If you want to shoot planes get a Flakpanzer.

[WWhiskey]

so your general theory is that if a plane is sitting on the ground facing you at 500 yards you could sight it in but if it was 15 to 50 feet higher up somehow it would be to difficult for a gunner to see?
 and of course the commander couldn't "Kentucky windage" a shot from his perch outside by just telling the gunner to fire the darn round at 180 degrees plus 10 degrees elevation?
 and the gunner probably wouldn't be able to see the plane thru the sight because of this big blue thing blocking the view of the plane,, it looks like a large plane,,,  as soon as it passes  I'll try to find  "your" plane in the viewfinder
 I have created a top secret picture to help you understand

 now explain to me why a round coming out of that tank, at that moment, wouldn't hit that plane? 
 also from the picture we can see why the gunner wouldn't be able to see the plane,,, because the plane was in the way!!!
 luckily, this top secret prototype tank has 3000 HP and does 0 to light speed  even in reverse
  you like my new photo shop ?  Send me a self addressed stamped envelope with three dollars U.S. for my secret to great pictures,, yes you too can create cartoon events that never really happened using the latest gadgets and stuff!!!

[Pand]

^^^^^

That is some of the best Photoshop work I have ever seen.

[Karnak]

Complete absolutist drivel.

You simply can't admit that airplanes are not magically invisible in a tank's gunsight.

You do not know what you are talking about. You could fly a 747 over a tank and Chances are you would not even hear it over the noise in the tank. If you ever looked though a real main gun optic you would say the same as I am. The hole in the trunk of your car is about as good as I can explane it. I have fired over 100 105mm tank rounds and maybe a 2000 sub rounds at all kinds of target as well as looked through most WWII tank sights at the Patton museum. Tank rounds should not hit flying planes in the game. If you want to shoot planes get a Flakpanzer.

Sorry, but optics don't work that way.

I shot down an La-7 using the main gun on a Panzer IV H.  To do so I did not need to rotate the turret or elevate or lower the gun.  He simply flew straight at my gun and I hit him when he was about 200-400 yards away.  I had been engaged with enemy tanks and was not seeking aircraft targets nor was I ever in the commander's position.

Per your claim there is no way I could ever have seen the La-7 that was filling my gunsight and blocking my view of anything other than the La-7 and a bit of terrain.

Complete balderdash.

[WWhiskey]

^^^^^

That is some of the best Photoshop work I have ever seen.

Thanks

[LilMak]

How about change the icon range for closed turreted tanks vs planes to the same range the planes get an icon? That should at least make it more difficult fo a main gun to get hits from greater distances.

[hitech]

The most gamey thing about the tanks in here is shooting down a plane with the main gun. I am retired from the Army from an Armored Cavalry unit and I can tell you you could not ever locate a flying aircraft in the main gun sight much less shoot at it. It would be like drilling a hole in the trunk of your car to stick a scoped rifle out of then having some one drive you around while you try to shoot a flying bird. If a tank ever hit a flying plane it was an accident and the crew never knew they hit it or it was a claim made by the Russians. 

From: Dmitriy Loza,

http://english.iremember.ru/tankers/17-dmitriy-loza.html?start=2

- The Sherman had an antiaircraft machine gun Browning M2 .50 caliber. Did you use it often?

- I don't know why, but one shipment of tanks arrived with machine guns, and another without them. We used this machine gun against both aircraft and ground targets. We used it less frequently against air targets because the Germans were not fools. They bombed either from altitude or from a steep dive. The machine gun was good to 400-600 meters in the vertical. The Germans would drop their bombs from say, 800 meters or higher. He dropped his bomb and departed quickly. Try to shoot the bastard down! So yes, we used it, but it was not very effective. We even used our main gun against aircraft. We placed the tank on the upslope of a hill and fired. But our general impression of the machine gun was good. These machine guns were of great use to us in the war with Japan, against kamikazes. We fired them so much that they got red hot and began to cook off. To this day I have a piece of shrapnel in my head from an antiaircraft machine gun.

In his book he also recounts when they took down a bomber with a main gun.

HiTech

[hitech]

Also we have stayed consistent between all sights with power and field of view.

But a computer screen can not translate these 2 numbers to reality simply because moving your head closer or farther away or the size of the computer screen changes the Power.

Hence we basically halved the FOV on all sights from the real thing so that you could see the detail that we believe you could see with a give power in real life.

HiTech

[Megalodon]

From: Dmitriy Loza,

http://english.iremember.ru/tankers/17-dmitriy-loza.html?start=2

- The Sherman had an antiaircraft machine gun Browning M2 .50 caliber. Did you use it often?

- I don't know why, but one shipment of tanks arrived with machine guns, and another without them. We used this machine gun against both aircraft and ground targets. We used it less frequently against air targets because the Germans were not fools. They bombed either from altitude or from a steep dive. The machine gun was good to 400-600 meters in the vertical. The Germans would drop their bombs from say, 800 meters or higher. He dropped his bomb and departed quickly. Try to shoot the bastard down! So yes, we used it, but it was not very effective. We even used our main gun against aircraft. We placed the tank on the upslope of a hill and fired. But our general impression of the machine gun was good. These machine guns were of great use to us in the war with Japan, against kamikazes. We fired them so much that they got red hot and began to cook off. To this day I have a piece of shrapnel in my head from an antiaircraft machine gun.

In his book he also recounts when they took down a bomber with a main gun.

HiTech

 So they point and fired ... so what?

Again you are sighting 1 incidence just like Ack ......1!  1 time it happened.... yet in the game its like a Nintendo shot.  You would not let a plane in the game with only 1 instance of it?

They arn't driving their tanks to slopes and firing for effect. They are jumping from the commander to the cupola, after linning up, and instantly shooting with perfect accuracy.

It never happened with any form of regularity at all ever.

The 600 yrd icon for flak and osties common, I can see it for tanks, but for osties and wirbles? No.
 
 

[Tinkles]

 So they point and fired ... so what?

Again you are sighting 1 incidence just like Ack ......1!  1 time it happened.... yet in the game its like a Nintendo shot.  You would not let a plane in the game with only 1 instance of it?

They arn't driving their tanks to slopes and firing for effect. They are jumping from the commander to the cupola, after linning up, and instantly shooting with perfect accuracy.

It never happened with any form of regularity at all ever.

The 600 yrd icon for flak and osties common, I can see it for tanks, but for osties and wirbles? No.
 
 

I can see the tanks and wirbles from quite a distance away up to 4k away sometimes. All you have to do is look for little sparkles on the ground.  If you have memorized the paint jobs (as I have) then you would know what vehicle is what.

Not only that, if you fly high enough you would be able to evade the vehicles entirely.

Also, there are obviously more than just 2 occasions where a tank has taken out a plane with its main gun.  However, just because we don't have all the records or accounts of it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be in the game.   Yeah players will jump from commander to main gun position, I see why you're upset about that. Personally, I think there should be a small animation for it when the player switches from one position to another.  For example: Farcry 2 when switching from driver to gunner position there is a small animation, a delay of about 2 seconds roughly from shooting to driving.

I wouldn't mind having a delay like that in Aces High. However, tanks SHOULD have the ability to shoot down planes with their main gun, it is totally realistic. Just because YOU don't agree with it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. Ultimately, if HiTech determines that it should be in the game, then it's in for good. 


Just my thoughts.

Respectively,

Tinkles

 

[Butcher]

From: Dmitriy Loza,

http://english.iremember.ru/tankers/17-dmitriy-loza.html?start=2

- The Sherman had an antiaircraft machine gun Browning M2 .50 caliber. Did you use it often?

- I don't know why, but one shipment of tanks arrived with machine guns, and another without them. We used this machine gun against both aircraft and ground targets. We used it less frequently against air targets because the Germans were not fools. They bombed either from altitude or from a steep dive. The machine gun was good to 400-600 meters in the vertical. The Germans would drop their bombs from say, 800 meters or higher. He dropped his bomb and departed quickly. Try to shoot the bastard down! So yes, we used it, but it was not very effective. We even used our main gun against aircraft. We placed the tank on the upslope of a hill and fired. But our general impression of the machine gun was good. These machine guns were of great use to us in the war with Japan, against kamikazes. We fired them so much that they got red hot and began to cook off. To this day I have a piece of shrapnel in my head from an antiaircraft machine gun.

In his book he also recounts when they took down a bomber with a main gun.

HiTech

No need to defend this Hitech, its been explained time and time over again, with actual accounts. People simply don't know history and refuse to use "Search". I have the book myself, I explained it enough times as well and people still don't get it.
Just because its not bragged in every book doesn't mean it didn't happen - I found more then 4 cases of tanks "Shooting the main gun" at aircrafts. In aces high and reality I can see the differences, In real life pilots don't fly Lancasters 400 ft off the deck to carpet bomb Ground vehicles.
Either learn to bomb tanks or don't get shot down, plain and simple.

Here's my favorite whine of all:

A P-47 pilot decided he didn't like me camping a certain spawn (85?) so he came over to dive bomb at 90 degrees. I took a gamble and positioned my tank so I could fire straight up, sure enough he tried to bomb and I shot him down while he was well over 2,000 ft above me.

A decent gunner can easily shoot down low flying bombers (learn to lead, and you can hit anything) - I've shot down my fair share of aircrafts and have been shot down by ground vehicles. I've not seen anything unhistorial or gamey about it.

Its a game, quit tightening your panties over it.

[Karnak]

I think at this point we have accounts of American, German and Russian tank crews shooting at aircraft with the main guns and at least two successful shoot downs with the main guns.

IJN battleship Yamato fired its main guns at aircraft during its death fight.

[R 105]

 So they point and fired ... so what?

Again you are sighting 1 incidence just like Ack ......1!  1 time it happened.... yet in the game its like a Nintendo shot.  You would not let a plane in the game with only 1 instance of it?

They arn't driving their tanks to slopes and firing for effect. They are jumping from the commander to the cupola, after linning up, and instantly shooting with perfect accuracy.

It never happened with any form of regularity at all ever.

The 600 yrd icon for flak and osties common, I can see it for tanks, but for osties and wirbles? No.
 
 

You are correct, If a tank even shot down a flying aircraft it was by accident or luck and was never recorded by the crew. I know what I am saying about the tank sight and the noise. The hole in the trunk of your car shooting a flying bird is as good as I can explain it. However it is HTC's game and company and if they want to have magic main guns on their tanks it is their business and who am I to point out reality.

[SmokinLoon]

Also we have stayed consistent between all sights with power and field of view.

Hence we basically halved the FOV on all sights from the real thing so that you could see the detail that we believe you could see with a give power in real life.

HiTech

Both of which have a very good impact on the ground game.  It gives each gv their proper due.  In no way shape or form should a T34 be able to slug it out with e Panther at 2400 yards by virtue of having a difficult time on location the Panther and then adjusting fire.  Soviet tank sights in WWII were the worst.  I think HTC has done well to mimic the tank sights of WWII, and perhaps even being a bit generous.