On gaming the game - comments please

[AKcurly]

Recently, the AKs in general and Nimitz in particular took a little heat from Whels1 and Brady5 of the knights because we refused to hide enemy CVs (off map.)  I defended Nimitz's action citing "gaming the game."

I understand this is a gray area.  We have 400 mph panzers, right?    I believe Pyro & HiTech left the tank slides in the game because they believe it added fun.

So, is "hiding the CV" in the same category as "200 mph panzers?"

I understand there will always be players who take advantage of the tank slides (me for one!) I understand there will always be players who take unfair advantage of field ack.  

However, hiding the CV seems to be in the same category as off map HQ raids.  It spoils the fun for many participants.

AKcurly

[darling]

I agree to the opposition to "gaming the game".
Allthough I won't go as far as calling "hide the CV" cheating, like some do, it definately detriments my gaming experience from time to time.
On the other hand, off-the-map bombing, I will call cheating.
This is what the meriam-webster ( http://www.m-w.com/home.htm  ) says about cheating:
 

Pronunciation: 'chEt
Date: 1590
transitive senses
1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

Off-the-map bombing utilizes a weakness in the game to avoid the opposition. I will not condone it. If a friendly off-the-map raid levels an enemy HQ, I do not offer them a wtg.

I was online today when Nim took control of the CV (54) and started moving it. I also think I voiced my approval. If not, let me do so now.

Regards
2nd Lt. Darling
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"

[paintmaw]

Just one question ( I really don't know the answer) do Biscuits and rooks hide cv's??
I have no opinion either way , did they move ships to a safe place in real life ??

this post is not meant to be a personal attack  

[TheWobble]

I dont really see the problem with "hiding the CV"  it seems there are so many other things that offset the realism much more than putting yer boats off the clip board...<cough> radar <snort>


its a game...have fun you tards  

[TheWobble]

Radar officer:

Grneral yakamoto..the enemy has moved their fleet off our radar!!!!

General yakamoto on open channel:  

DWEEBS!!

[BigJoe]

So some think we should keep it on the map?  I got two words for ya's 'Maginot Line'  

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Tactics must change if suprise is to be obtained, for surprise does not merely mean hitting the enemy at some unexpected point, but hitting him in an unexpected way.

           Major General J.F.C. Fuller 1936


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BigJoe
3./JG2

[Sturm]

For one thing the reason of hiding the CV is denying the enemy a airfield.  We lose the CV and they gain the port it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out they get the cv back.  We had incursions from rooks coming over taking the CV and moving it towards rook territory.  Nimitz and brady and whels all were arguing about it, I do't think he understands what the knights have gone thru the last month.

     Gaming the game?  Not in the last bit, denying the enemy a strategic runway yes.  Voicing your opinion here will not settle it.  Curly/Nimitz I think you should have come and talked to me first instead of coming to the soap opera BBS.  As it is the CV will stay off map.  End of discussion.    

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.

[Moose11]

Come on guys, we all know exactly what we're talking about here.

TG54 has been in enemy hands for days now even though we recaptured the port long ago. Why? Because it's sitting even farther away then the Knit HQ.

IMO thats a dweeb thing to do, and it'll stay there until a reset probably.

If all countries did that, then we quickly would have no CVs.

  at least use it.

(rooks will move zig for great justice unless you do)

translation: big mission in planner just to get the damned thing back

[whels1]

 

Originally posted by AKcurly:
Recently, the AKs in general and Nimitz in particular took a little heat from Whels1 and Brady5 of the knights because we refused to hide enemy CVs (off map.)  I defended Nimitz's action citing "gaming the game."

I understand this is a gray area.  We have 400 mph panzers, right?    I believe Pyro & HiTech left the tank slides in the game because they believe it added fun.

So, is "hiding the CV" in the same category as "200 mph panzers?"

I understand there will always be players who take advantage of the tank slides (me for one!) I understand there will always be players who take unfair advantage of field ack.  

However, hiding the CV seems to be in the same category as off map HQ raids.  It spoils the fun for many participants.

AKcurly

get ur story straight Curly, i gave u and nimitz heat for sailing it to enemy base and leaving it to be found, (which they did). u betrayed your country but handing the enemy thier CV back. when i left last night i had it in a corner on map.where and who took it off map after i left who knows and dont car. but when u sail it up to th eenemy and say here it is, take it, ur a traitor and PNG
to me.

whels

[skernsk]

 

Curly/Nimitz I think you should have come and talked to me first instead of coming to the soap opera BBS. As it is the CV will stay off map. End of discussion.

Gotta love flying for the knights.

Everybody has an opinion and they are entitled to it.  I feel that ANYTHING off map is "out of bounds" and should not be allowed to take place.  There is enough water on the map to hide a CV.  

In my opinion anything tht leaves the map should automatically be LOST to the country.

As for spawn points on hills.  These are on the ,map and are fair game.


Now I know why the knights hated the "other" map.  It DID NOT allow them to hide the CV  

[Moose11]

Sturm, do you speak for all knights?

End of discussion?


Then why are a lot of knights telling rooks where the CV is located?

Maybe, just maybe, people don't agree with the concept.

[GRUNHERZ]

I really dont understand why off map stuff is allowed by the game program. Is it impossible to set a boundary?  Maybe just model a thin strip of land around the edge of the map.

Anyway as for the ethics of the situation, it really isnt cute at all to hide it and take advantage of a flaw in the game rather than fairly defend your CV.

[Sturm]

Sailing the CV to enemy port is fair then?  And moose I do not speak for all the knights.  Where you got that I do not know.  Having a high ranked player come in and steal the CV and move it to enemy base is fair then hiding it off map is fair as well.  It is a mute discussion and will be dealt with accordingly.  If it is allowed inthe game how is it cheating?  Define that to me and I will be happy.  As far as I see and this is my opinion it is legal to do.  And it has been done before.

     Moose if you want a verbal war so be it, but every response from you is negative.  I have never comeout and attacked one individual, so if you mind please keep your mouth shut.

[J_A_B]

"Gaming the game"??

IMO there's no such thing.  If the game allows you to do it, then its fair game.

If it really DOES affect the game in an adverse manner, petition HTC to change it.  But until it gets changed, consider it fair play.

J_A_B

[Moose11]

Sturm,

If you had been on this forum for more then a month you would realize that I am not one to be negative. I'd rather shoot you down 40 times in the MA then have it out on the board.

You have your feelings towards the situation, I have mine. Just because I don't share your view on two topics right now and I've made some valid points doesn't mean I'm negative. It's a big peeve of mine to be generalized when someone doesn't even know me very well.


Now,
Putting the ship back from the action is one thing, but sticking it where it can't be used or seen? Come on, even Lazs will agree with me that it just makes a waste of a perfectly good CV group. If a rook was doing it, you can be sure that I'd be telling a knit or bish where it was. It's the exact same situation as an off-map raid. Questionable.

And it's not about whether it's a cheat or not. That depends on your views. As long as it is OUR CV that YOUR COUNTRY is hiding away, it's allright to you and you'll continue to hide it. If the situation was reversed, please don't say you'd defend your viewpoint as steadily as you want to do now.

Knits, be men and bring that CV back and use it. What is the point of hiding it?

Natedog/Superfly - the idea of having land on the edges of the map (50k high anyone?) is a good point. If a player were to submit a modified current MA terrain with these 'walls' would it be accepted?