The mosquito does not have a bomb bay

[mechanic]

I don't think that is what he is asking for at all. I think he means that if he dives 5000ft accelerating from 100mph to 400mph with a clean fuselage then doing the same with the doors open would only result in accelerating from 100mph to 380mph. I don't think he meant that he would accelerate to 480mph then open the doors to speed brake.

Also I believe that the vast majority of the drag is caused by the hollow space of the bay rather than the doors themselves. The doors are relatively streamlined and not be put under much stress.

I am not advocating the wish, just playing devil's advocate.

[morfiend]

 I dont know if openning the bombbay doors was common or not but I do know they tested a speed brake on the mossie but found it wasnt needed as the landing gear did a fine job at slowing the Mossie.

   The only US Mossie Ace mentions using the gear to slow his approach on a 410 that he was about to over shoot! He mentions he got excited to see that the 410 left his land lights on at night and in his excitement he didnt notice his high rate of closure.He thought he might overshoot and blow his chances until he dropped the gear and blew the 410 out of the sky.


   So maybe if we cant get the bombdoors to open we should be able to lower the gear at higher speeds.


  YMMV.


   

[bozon]

He's talking about using it for a 480mph speed brake because he's diving faster than he should. At those speeds the doors probably wouldn't function or would rip off (possibly damaging the plane from the 480mph shift in flight dynamics as it ripped off).

What he's asking for may very well have been catastrophic in nature, but he's just looking for a gamey loophole to fly in a way he shouldn't fly.

Krusty, what I do is to open the doors in order not to reach 480. In a mossie6, if you are already at 480 and still pointed down you are dead, no doors will save you. Currently, if I am going 300+ mph and need to dive on someone below, or make a steep dive bombing run (wing bombs),  I have to ride the rudder in order not to reach 480 is a couple of seconds. The opening the bay helps a little.

The doors are already in the game and they function if I load up bombs and ditch them on the runway. This is a stupid work around and the message "your plane does not have a bomb bay" seems kind of silly and breaks the internal logic of the game: The exact same plane with the exact same current loadout operates differently depending on how it started its sortie. In other words, without any bombs on, one has to remember whether or not he had bombs sometime earlier when he plans to dive on a target. This is the reason why I think this is a bug and asked for it to be fixed.

Finally, it was done in reality. I do not know of any official speed limits to opening the bay doors. They were definitely built to be opened at 300+ mph because mosquitoes were supposed to be able to drop bombs at such speeds. The gears too were used at high speeds, though in the game I can only lower them under 190 mph. I am not asking to change the way gears operate. Unlike the bomb bay, the speed at which I can lower the gear does not depend on whether or not I had bombs when I took off.

[morfiend]

 Geeze Bozon,I thought for sure you'd back my play to have the gear work at a higher speed!

    I agree with you about the doors and have often wondered why I've gotten that message when I accidently pressed the bay doors to open without bombs!

   However it never occured to me to use the doors in that manner,I've always used the gamey flaps that retract to control my dives.



   

[nrshida]

Finally, it was done in reality. I do not know of any official speed limits to opening the bay doors. They were definitely built to be opened at 300+ mph because mosquitoes were supposed to be able to drop bombs at such speeds. The gears too were used at high speeds, though in the game I can only lower them under 190 mph. I am not asking to change the way gears operate. Unlike the bomb bay, the speed at which I can lower the gear does not depend on whether or not I had bombs when I took off.

Do you have a figure for a 'higher' landing gear deployment speed Bozon? If you can quantify it with historical data then it should be altered.

God bless the wooden wonder, and all who sail in her. Hurrah!

[Tank-Ace]

Shida, if he's talking about opening doors to recover from a dive, then no. No unless the doors will rip off if he goes too fast.

Fine with opening doors to slow down, just not gamiw the hell out of things.

[nrshida]

Shida, if he's talking about opening doors to recover from a dive, then no. No unless the doors will rip off if he goes too fast.

Fine with opening doors to slow down, just not gamiw the hell out of things.

Tank-Ace, the doors should operate as they did on the real aircraft. As Bozon quite rightly pointed out, the Mosquito was a high speed bomber - it relied on its high speed for survival and there is no suggestion it had to slow down in order to drop weapons from the bomb bay, therefore we know the doors could be opened at high speed.

All of these doors ripping off comments is speculation. Someone, perhaps Karnak will have the data, same with the gear.

What we do with that in game is up to us. Anyone suggesting this is 'gaming' is ignoring most of the other Aces High activities.

[Tank-Ace]

High speed doesn't mean opening doors at, say 460+ on the deck. World of difference between the 330 the mossie 6 makes on the deck, And 450.

[nrshida]

High speed doesn't mean opening doors at, say 460+ on the deck. World of difference between the 330 the mossie 6 makes on the deck, And 450.

And once again, I have to point out that isn't what's being suggested. Please read the OP again.

[Tank-Ace]

The reason I want an empty bomb bay to open is to use it as a diving speed breaks. For some reason our Mk.VI sheds parts when over 480 TAS and this helps in slowing it down.

How exactly is this to be interpreted, then?

He obviously wants to open the doors to slow his acceleration in high speed dives. Now within reason, this is fine, but when you reach part-shedding speeds, that's where I take issue.

[nrshida]

How exactly is this to be interpreted, then?

He obviously wants to open the doors to slow his acceleration in high speed dives. Now within reason, this is fine, but when you reach part-shedding speeds, that's where I take issue.

Perhaps his wording was unfortunate but he clarified it later. I interpreted it to mean he wanted to open the doors in order to reduce the acceleration in the dive before he started his dive, not to pop them at 480 to keep your surfaces (which arguably shouldn't detach anyway).

All this door detaching speculation aside, I think it again needs to be pointed out you can do this anyway by taking two bombs and discarding them on takeoff. You can also choose to leave your internal bomb bay empty in the hangar, then you get the 'this plane has no bomb bay' message.

[Tank-Ace]

I have no idea when a mossie would start shedding parts. If it does so too soon, that needs to be fixed as well. However, I also think doors should shed like any other component. Maybe the speed is higher, maybe not. But it should still happen.

[Hazard69]

I think it again needs to be pointed out you can do this anyway by taking two bombs and discarding them on takeoff. You can also choose to leave your internal bomb bay empty in the hangar, then you get the 'this plane has no bomb bay' message.

That is the primary point of this wish imho.

There doesn't seem to be any speed limit to open bay doors on any plane in game afaik.

I once remember diving a Ju88 from 30K (went afk in a climb) and I could easily open the bays at over 500mph. Bit surprised it held together at such high speeds too, but thats a different  matter.

The point of the wish is that on certain planes when you up with no bombs the bomb bay magically disappears. So as of now, you can up an aircraft ditch/drop the bombs and then the empty bay still works and can be used anyway you like. But if you take off with no bombs, do the ground mech's remove the entire bay? 

[bozon]

I have no idea when a mossie would start shedding parts. If it does so too soon, that needs to be fixed as well. However, I also think doors should shed like any other component. Maybe the speed is higher, maybe not. But it should still happen.

OK, that does it! you made me use a bulleted list and bold faced fonts!

• What I point out as a likely BUG is that the bay doors cannot be opened AT ALL if bombs were not loaded in the hangar
• The Moss6 in AH can ALREADY open the bay doors at all speeds (provided you had bombs in it in the hangar). There are no speed limits to any plane with a bomb bay in AH. No new modeling whatsoever is being requested. This is not the wish list forum.
• The only reason to mention its in-game as well as historical use as a speed break is to explain why I even care about this. This is still not a game breaking bug, or something that will get to the top of the priority list.
• For those with reading comprehension deficiency: using it as a speed break means to PREVENT the plane from reaching its low critical speed of ~480 mph. Even more explicit: open it at speed LOWER than 480. If one insists on accurate flight modeling, I am not aware of such a low limit or any typical mosquito issues with high speed dives. Our B.Mk XVI bomber mossie can reach higher speeds in a dive, safely. I am not challenging this in this thread because I have yet to find what was the real critical diving speed in the VI. No data = no FM modification petitions. The opening of the bomb bay is not a FM change (see bullet #2).
  

Perhaps now it is clear.

[Tank-Ace]

Perhaps you missed where I said I'm fine with opening doors to create drag. I also think it should be changed so the doors rip off if yo go too fast.

Do one, why not the other, since they are related.


 Calm your tits, bozon.