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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2013, 10:03:30 AM »
My favorite is that some planes you can use slide your head out of the cockpit left or right going any speed in any maneuver.  Lmao!!  I'd love to see that in RL.  That is one gamey feature.

I Know of no planes where you can more your head out side the cockpit.

If there are any please report them in the bug reports.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2013, 10:05:36 AM »
Ya know... I'd be willing to bet it happened more than most of us know. There is a reason fighter pilots use tracers.   :aok

I would really like for HTC to offer a "default pilot view" on top of the "default gun sight view".  There are very few planes in AH in which the average pilot of average height naturally looked perfectly down the gun sight.  If HTC could gave us a hot button for say... 22-24 inches above the seat I'd consider that "average" height from the seat to typical eye level.  I just measured mine at I got 28 inches (seat to eye level), but I'm 73in tall, a bit taller than the average pilot of WWII.  Heck, HTC could vary it by country because I'm sure the average Japanese pilot was shorter than the average western European pilot.  I'd be willing to bet the average Russian and Italian pilots wre smaller than the average US/UK/Aussie pilot as well.  

WISH:  I wish for HTC to create a "default pilot view" hot button.  Let this height be an average of 22-24 above the height of the seat.  Have it be a toggle so that we can go in to "gun sight mode" or "pilot view mode".

You can already have two forward positions. You simply move your default front view up and save it, Then press the forward view direction arrow to look threw the gun sight.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2013, 10:06:38 AM »
Does this mean that even if you change the position of your gunsight that the guns will still shoot to the center of the HUD? I know some people use page up to raise their pipper in order to facilitate deflection shooting. Any info greatly appreciated!

Yes, the point to which the guns are harmonized at is always in the center of the screen.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2013, 10:08:32 AM »
Yep, acceleration...not speed.

Currently there is some movement between the cockpit and the view point of our virtual pilot but the flight control inputs have to be very abrupt to really see it and even then the movement is very small. Also, a part of the problem is the fact that the guns are aligned to always shoot to the middle of the screen. Having a system like the one in Rise of Flight where the movement is more fluent and pronounced (depends on the setting though) combined with a gun alignment that stays with the plane's 3D model and isn't always in the middle of the screen would change things to the direction which you are suggesting.

Since in AH the requirement is for the gun sight to be in the middle of the screen it causes limitations to the forward view depending on the cockpit layout of the plane in question.

Guns are not aligned to shoot to the middle of the screen. They do not in anyway change where they shoot  based on your view change.

There is also not any requirement for the gun sight be in the middle of the screen.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2013, 10:12:05 AM »
Guns are not aligned to shoot to the middle of the screen. They do not in anyway change where they shoot  based on your view change.

There is also not any requirement for the gun sight be in the middle of the screen.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2013, 10:26:20 AM »
I would love AH to do something about the Gs in a Brewster and the 190.
When I die bury me in a P38.

I watch day after day, week after week, tour after tour, the Bishops and Rooks take bases and win maps while the Knights stand there with their thumbs stuck in their butts. It's just pathetic!

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2013, 10:32:42 AM »
Guns are not aligned to shoot to the middle of the screen.

Well I must be missing something then because to my experience, that's what they do. When in the front view, while using snap views (no panning).


Photobucket triumphs with the jpg-compression again and the hits on the target are hard to see but this is what I meant.


There is also not any requirement for the gun sight be in the middle of the screen.

Ok, I worded that poorly. Gun sights are in the middle of the screen by default.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2013, 10:34:47 AM »
I Know of no planes where you can more your head out side the cockpit.

If there are any please report them in the bug reports.

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Move your head right or left in the spit or 109 series and you're looking right down the left or right side of the front cowling.   Other a/c have shortened views as if your head is being stopped by glass.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2013, 10:49:21 AM »
Well I must be missing something then because to my experience, that's what they do. When in the front view, while using snap views (no panning).

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Photobucket triumphs with the jpg-compression again and the hits on the target are hard to see but this is what I meant.


Ok, I worded that poorly. Gun sights are in the middle of the screen by default.

indeed thats why you can draw a dot on your screen and use it instead of the actual gunsight.  :aok
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 10:52:29 AM by kvuo75 »
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2013, 10:52:30 AM »
Move your head right or left in the spit or 109 series and you're looking right down the left or right side of the front cowling.   Other a/c have shortened views as if your head is being stopped by glass.

Can't see anything wrong with the 109...


Spitfire had bubble canopy which allows further movement to the side. When moving forward or backward it doesn't really seem to follow the contours of the arced bubble like the view follows the side of the canopy in newer models like the A6Ms but certainly isn't significantly out of place:
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2013, 10:52:59 AM »
Well I must be missing something then because to my experience, that's what they do. When in the front view, while using snap views (no panning).

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Photobucket triumphs with the jpg-compression again and the hits on the target are hard to see but this is what I meant.


Ok, I worded that poorly. Gun sights are in the middle of the screen by default.

Those circles are each 10 ft Radius. When you move your head,the view of the target it is only moving 1 tenth of a circle radius I.E. guessing about 1 foot movement. The bullets have not moved. Test it, they will land the same place from looking threw the gun sight. or with your head moved.

In fact, press f8 and rotate your view 10 degrees, It then become obvious they are not shooting at the center of the screen.


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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2013, 10:55:01 AM »
Can't see anything wrong with the 109...
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Spitfire had bubble canopy which allows further movement to the side. When moving forward or backward it doesn't really seem to follow the contours of the arced bubble like the view follows the side of the canopy in newer models like the A6Ms but certainly isn't significantly out of place:
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That isn't what I remember mine looking like.  I'm out of town on biz.  I'll take screen shots when I get home tomorrow night

« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 11:06:00 AM by Changeup »
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2013, 11:11:41 AM »
The bullets have not moved. Test it, they will land the same place from looking threw the gun sight. or with your head moved.

This is what I meant. One can aim with a piece of post-it in the middle of the screen.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 11:14:10 AM by Wmaker »
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2013, 11:47:17 AM »
This is what I meant. One can aim with a piece of post-it in the middle of the screen.

If you are sighting along a parallel line to the guns. Of course a dot in the center of the screen will be close to where the guns hit.

That is exactly the same as putting a dot in the center of your glasses.
As long as you are looking the same direction as the gun you are holding. You will hit where the dot is, except for the distance offset between your glasses and the gun you are holding.

No way to prevent this, unless you wish to not look straight ahead in the plane?

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2013, 11:53:41 AM »
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