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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2013, 12:20:07 PM »
If I remember, the 109 view is different while you're inflight than what Wmaker posted.  I might be wrong but I never looked at it on the runway....only inflight
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2013, 12:22:56 PM »
 All the pilots in aces high are midgets  :P  :bolt:
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2013, 12:31:41 PM »
If you are sighting along a parallel line to the guns. Of course a dot in the center of the screen will be close to where the guns hit.

That is exactly the same as putting a dot in the center of your glasses.
As long as you are looking the same direction as the gun you are holding. You will hit where the dot is, except for the distance offset between your glasses and the gun you are holding.

No way to prevent this, unless you wish to not look straight ahead in the plane?

Yeh, understood.

Just wanted to add that as you said my statement below was of course false word for word:

problem is the fact that the guns are aligned to always shoot to the middle of the screen.

...I was thinking about it too much in the view of the practical result.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2013, 12:33:48 PM »
no, his ss of the 109 is accurate.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2013, 12:35:06 PM »
If I remember, the 109 view is different while you're inflight than what Wmaker posted.  I might be wrong but I never looked at it on the runway....only inflight

Why would it be any different in flight?
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2013, 02:14:55 PM »
The point and problem as  i see it, is the fact the bullets come FROM the center of the cross hair regardless of *forward* head position, aces high has never simulated a true cockpit.



It would change a LOT of things if done correctly.


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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2013, 02:22:45 PM »
The point and problem as  i see it, is the fact the bullets come FROM the center of the cross hair regardless of *forward* head position, aces high has never simulated a true cockpit.



It would change a LOT of things if done correctly.


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Not being argumentative, but curious about this statement.  The way I understand reflector sights, doesn't matter where you are oriented from the sight, if you can see the dot, that's where it's pointing.  Is that not so?

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2013, 02:23:51 PM »
The point and problem as  i see it, is the fact the bullets come FROM the center of the cross hair regardless of *forward* head position, aces high has never simulated a true cockpit.



It would change a LOT of things if done correctly.


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What do you mean?

The bullets come from the gun positions and the gunsight is matched to that.  The small movements you are able to do with your view position is not enough to significantly offset that so it will never really look like they are passing far off center.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2013, 02:28:03 PM »
Why would it be any different in flight?

After consulting my squadmates, I withdraw all my statements.  My apologies.  Carry on.
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2013, 02:39:23 PM »
The point and problem as  i see it, is the fact the bullets come FROM the center of the cross hair regardless of *forward* head position, aces high has never simulated a true cockpit.

You might want to try that before you stat it as fact.

The bullets come from the correct gun positions and converge with correct lob to be central to the sight at the given range.

simple test, up a Hurri 2 with the 12 guns. set convergence to 600, pull up behind a smaller fighter like a yak/i16. Center your cross hairs on his lower tail at 50ft and fire... your bullets will just stream under his wings and not touch him. If they did in-fact generate from one point then snap shots for 12 BBs would always be at convergence. But that is not the case.

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »
All the pilots in aces high are midgets  :P  :bolt:
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2013, 03:20:14 PM »
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2013, 03:22:17 PM »
What if you're 6'5"?..... 
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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2013, 03:35:17 PM »
What if you're 6'5"?..... 

My guess is that you wouldn't have been accepted to pilot training in most cases. :)

History of course knows exceptions too tough...

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Re: page up in the cockpit is not realistic
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2013, 04:24:42 PM »
Not being argumentative, but curious about this statement.  The way I understand reflector sights, doesn't matter where you are oriented from the sight, if you can see the dot, that's where it's pointing.  Is that not so?

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No, you're right.  As long as you can see the reflected reticle, the aiming point is correct, regardless of head position.  This is of course not true with an iron sight.  That improved ease and accuracy of sighting is the reason reflector sights were used.

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