page up in the cockpit is not realistic

[Noir]

Don't get me wrong I use it all the time but I find that a pilot lifting from his chair in a 400mph dive seems a bit weird and gives certain rides an unfair advantage.

[Wmaker]

I find that a pilot lifting from his chair in a 400mph dive seems a bit weird and gives certain rides an unfair advantage.

Why would the pilot be any less able to lift his head in 400mph dive as opposed to level flight at 250mph?

It's not the speed but acceleration that matters here.

[Noir]

Why would the pilot be any less able to lift his head in 400mph dive as opposed to level flight at 250mph?

It's not the speed but acceleration that matters here.

Yes well the postive G would stop the pilot to do it...but on some planes the view goes so high that the pilot would have to be standing in the cockpit

[Wmaker]

Yes well the postive G would stop the pilot to do it...

Yep, acceleration...not speed.

Currently there is some movement between the cockpit and the view point of our virtual pilot but the flight control inputs have to be very abrupt to really see it and even then the movement is very small. Also, a part of the problem is the fact that the guns are aligned to always shoot to the middle of the screen. Having a system like the one in Rise of Flight where the movement is more fluent and pronounced (depends on the setting though) combined with a gun alignment that stays with the plane's 3D model and isn't always in the middle of the screen would change things to the direction which you are suggesting.

Since in AH the requirement is for the gun sight to be in the middle of the screen it causes limitations to the forward view depending on the cockpit layout of the plane in question.

[Karnak]

This varies from plane to plane.   The Mossie pilot's view in reality was above the gunsight and then he'd lower his head to look through it.

How should page up be limited fairly?

[Wmaker]

This varies from plane to plane.   The Mossie pilot's view in reality was above the gunsight and then he'd lower his head to look through it.

How should page up be limited fairly?

Yes. I think there are many planes where most pilots (obviously depends on the pilot's height, seat position, etc) hunched down to have a view through the gun sight.

[blazer65]

Yes. I think there are many planes where most pilots (obviously depends on the pilot's height, seat position, etc) hunched down to have a view through the gun sight.

You can kinda set this up this way with TrackIR.  One of my favorite things about TrackIR is the in the cockpit movements.  (ie leaning forward and down to zoom in on certain gauges and indicators, or sitting high up and leaning left or right to see over the nose)

[Changeup]

Don't get me wrong I use it all the time but I find that a pilot lifting from his chair in a 400mph dive seems a bit weird and gives certain rides an unfair advantage.

My favorite is that some planes you can use slide your head out of the cockpit left or right going any speed in any maneuver.  Lmao!!  I'd love to see that in RL.  That is one gamey feature.

[lulu]

"Don't get me wrong I use it all the time but I find that a pilot lifting from his chair in a 400mph dive seems a bit weird and gives certain rides an unfair advantage."


 

I always tought at this as pilot put some books on the chair.   


 

[SmokinLoon]

My favorite is that some planes you can use slide your head out of the cockpit left or right going any speed in any maneuver.  Lmao!!  I'd love to see that in RL.  That is one gamey feature.

Ya know... I'd be willing to bet it happened more than most of us know. There is a reason fighter pilots use tracers.  

I would really like for HTC to offer a "default pilot view" on top of the "default gun sight view".  There are very few planes in AH in which the average pilot of average height naturally looked perfectly down the gun sight.  If HTC could gave us a hot button for say... 22-24 inches above the seat I'd consider that "average" height from the seat to typical eye level.  I just measured mine at I got 28 inches (seat to eye level), but I'm 73in tall, a bit taller than the average pilot of WWII.  Heck, HTC could vary it by country because I'm sure the average Japanese pilot was shorter than the average western European pilot.  I'd be willing to bet the average Russian and Italian pilots wre smaller than the average US/UK/Aussie pilot as well.  

WISH:  I wish for HTC to create a "default pilot view" hot button.  Let this height be an average of 22-24 above the height of the seat.  Have it be a toggle so that we can go in to "gun sight mode" or "pilot view mode".

[Changeup]

I'm not sure I'd make a bet that many pilots in an active dogfight pulled the canopy back and stuck their head out the side of the canopy, lmao.  If they did, I WOULD bet it wasn't effective going 300 kts.

That might be a good question for my grandfather.  He was an basic aviation and aerial gunnery instructor pilot at Luke Field 1942-43.  He's still kickin and lucid at 95.  

Edit:  BTW I showed him some 1 v 1 films a year or so ago and he laughed and said we do it wrong.  Combat maneuvering training was done beginning with a knife-edge pass, canopy to canopy to remove advantages given in the merge.  His words, not mine.

[waystin2]

I'm not sure I'd make a bet that many pilots in an active dogfight pulled the canopy back and stuck their head out the side of the canopy, lmao.  If they did, I WOULD bet it wasn't effective going 300 kts.

Not to mention the bugs in teeth or bird strikes....

[icepac]

In a P47, you simply pull the lever and stand up.

The seat is spring loaded and should rise with you.

Might be more effort than raising a desk chair but not a whole lot more

[SmokinLoon]

I'm not sure I'd make a bet that many pilots in an active dogfight pulled the canopy back and stuck their head out the side of the canopy, lmao.  If they did, I WOULD bet it wasn't effective going 300 kts.

That might be a good question for my grandfather.  He was an basic aviation and aerial gunnery instructor pilot at Luke Field 1942-43.  He's still kickin and lucid at 95.  

Edit:  BTW I showed him some 1 v 1 films a year or so ago and he laughed and said we do it wrong.  Combat maneuvering training was done beginning with a knife-edge pass, canopy to canopy to remove advantages given in the merge.  His words, not mine.

That is not what I was referring to.  I was speaking more of a player putting his head up against or nearly up against the canopy to the side so he could see around the front of the nose of the plane better, in certain situations I'm sure it occurred, especially while in a pursuit.  I also highly doubt as well that a fighter pilot would have poked his head out of the cockpit while in ACM's, save except for the I-16 pilot.    

Also, do not think for a minute that the ACM's and "combat" in AH are true reflections of the majority of air to air combat in the real deal WWII.  In AH, a P38 would never think about going low n slow with a bunch of zekes in the area, but in the south PTO that is exactly what they did.... and the P38's prevailed.  I've read "Fork Tailed Devil: The P38", by Martin Caidin a few different times and reference it quite a bit.  The adventures of pilots Bong and McGuire are detailed rather nicely, do what they did in AH and you'll last a very short time thanks to lots of variables not present in the real deal.  

[aztec]

Also, a part of the problem is the fact that the guns are aligned to always shoot to the middle of the screen.

Does this mean that even if you change the position of your gunsight that the guns will still shoot to the center of the HUD? I know some people use page up to raise their pipper in order to facilitate deflection shooting. Any info greatly appreciated!