FSO is about who you know not what you know

[hammer]

In fact I think that the largest squads should be broken up into units no larger than 12.

That would certainly simplify squadron assignments if large squads were broken down and small squads were combined to form units of uniform size. OTOH, it would take away from the "Squad" part of Friday Squad Operations. If the problem is truly that massive, though, this would be a viable option to solving it. Of course, small squads are still "fillers", but that is the nature of the beast.

Regards,

Hammer

[Stampf]

Krusty,

III/JG11 was assigned to defend a Vbase.

We were the only squad assigned that mission.  We'll try not to accomplish it so well next time.

This thread is ridiculous.  Krusty you were here when JG11 was a half dozen guys.  Now we take grief because after 7 years we have grown?


I think some of these folks should take a break from FSO.  Seems like nothing more than a sound whooping caused some serious butt hurt.  And if you don't update your side and ride prefs...shame on you....not shame on 'Big Squads'.

[cohofly]

I dont know Krusty, this being th 90th post in this thread Im seeing the diametric opposite of apathy here. This thread has generated more passion for FSO IMO. I think that the more ideas that are generated by people such as yourself into not only regognizing the problem, offering ideas to solve them, the better events such as FSO will be in the long run.
I <S>   you for your ideas sir.
Carver
CO
35th

[VuduVee]

meh, you guys can flame me all you want. i expect it any time i deal with the AH community. i found out what i wanted to find out anyway. only the big squads get good assignments and rides mostly and gets put in a situation to prosper. everyone else gets leftovers. if its accidentally our preffered ride, itll be used as proof of fairness if it comes up. and yes krusty, i cared enough about FSO to voice my opinion. i think its unfair, too bad if you dont like it. like i said, i found out what i suspected and people here confirmed it. thats all i needed to know.

[cohofly]

Why is the thread rediculous Stampf, because you stand to be subject to the same rules that apply to smaller squads?????? Its already been pretty much established here that updating your squad info has no real bearing as to which side you may be assigned to or.... what ride you will be given. Oh but wait.........thats only for the "Filler" squads as some of you so elequently called the smaller squads. We were even called bait........  though we are flying Axis this frame(not requested) and we are supposed to feel respected by this type of attitude??????????? See the problem yet Stampf??????????????? Im not here for your or anybody elses amusement. I and my squad make the sacrifices and get placed where needed  (filler) for the good of the FSO community (4 times in the past 12 months) Most if not all small squads also make this sacrifice. What is your squad sacrificing for the FSO community?????? (0 side switches in 12 months) Again Ill ask See the problem yet????????? These small squads are enhancing your FSO experience. They are continually asked to be flexible at the cost of your inflexibility. Again Ill ask Stampf..........DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM YET? I and many others do!!!!!!!!

[Stampf]

Reading Comprehension...it's so underrated these days.  You're right.  From now on I'll request Allied in the Pacific.



 

Out.

[WxMan]

only the big squads get good assignments and rides mostly and gets put in a situation to prosper. everyone else gets leftovers. if its accidentally our preferred ride, itll be used as proof of fairness if it comes up.

  Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument. 

What do you consider to be a good assignment?  Do you want show your squads supreme ability by defending a base by yourself while being outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1. I think not, besides because that you are a very small squad, it's against the rules. You offer only vague complaints about how unfair you're being treated and no specific solutions.

I also suspect that you have never been a CiC before. Step into those shoes in two weeks when it's your squads turn and see how they fit.

[pops57]

Ignored the first time I'll try again-- more fleshed out!  Split the biggies into wings spread them around and fill with other groups. The big squads still have numbers just spread out in various missions. It might pan out that it could be rotated between large squads so they still get to be the" Lee Malory big wing" on some fso nights.  

[hammer]

... I and my squad make the sacrifices and get placed where needed  (filler) for the good of the FSO community (4 times in the past 12 months) Most if not all small squads also make this sacrifice. What is your squad sacrificing for the FSO community?????? (0 side switches in 12 months) ...

I don't know the answer to this, so I'll ask. Has any squad ever had to be switched from the axis side because not enough people requested allied? I'm guessing the answer is no or, at the most, very rarely.

While I understand your frustration, I don't see how making a large axis squad change to allies solves anything. It would only mean that more people who wanted to fly allied would have to fly axis and do it more often. If the issue is that on the rare occasions you end up on the axis side you don't get the best axis rides, maybe it's because you don't fly axis enough to be known by the axis commanders. I mean, when the new kid shows up to your pick-up game and says "hi, I want to be the quarterback", do you go with that or go with who you know?

If you don't want to switch sides and you want to become known so you can get better rides, do what Stampf did 7 years ago: dedicate your squad to the axis side and stay there. It's not always fun - the allies often have the advantage. He went through the same tribulations you are going through with ride assignments. However, he never had to change sides and has built his squad into one that is known for flying German fighters and flying them well.

Regards,

Hammer

[hammer]

From now on I'll request Allied in the Pacific.

Yay! I hate flying Japanese planes!   

[VuduVee]

Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument. 

What do you consider to be a good assignment?  Do you want show your squads supreme ability by defending a base by yourself while being outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1. I think not, besides because that you are a very small squad, it's against the rules. You offer only vague complaints about how unfair you're being treated and no specific solutions.

I also suspect that you have never been a CiC before. Step into those shoes in two weeks when it's your squads turn and see how they fit.

a good assignment would be using as us more than just a filler. as it stands, we get put with a larger group. that larger group assigns the targets to its members, which means we get mop up duties. which means we are tail end charlie, which means we are generally the first to die, as fodder. and just so you know, in case you didnt see, in this thread its been ackowledged that smaller squads are not given lead, and that since we are small our contributions are insignificant.  its been acknowledged that the bigger squads are more valued and that if we want better, we have to get bigger. even tho we put just as much into it as everyone else. like i said earlier, i found out how the FSO seems to be and im pushing within my squad for Duxford to abandon FSO altogether. you guys can have it. adios

[kilo2]

I was under the impression that allied was the more popular side during pacific setups.

[Squire]

FSO runs 3 times per month 12 months of the year. We can't go to a registration system like scenarios and have uniform sized 12-16 player squads it would be too cumbersome. So we are left with having to use the system we do. To get players involved in the #s we do we have to allow both large and small squads in the event. There are going to be imperfections to this system as well. Yes smaller squads acting together do not get the cohesion that a single large squad does. That's just the way it is and we can't do anything about that past suggesting you try your best to coordinate with other units.

As for the so-called crappy rides those should be shared with all the squads. For the record I am in a small squad (4-6) and have been for some time, and I don't feel we have been abused in either assignments or rides compared to anybody else in FSO. I do remind players that there are no guarantees when it comes to either preffered rides or requested rides in FSO. Like I said in my previous post if you feel you have a case to be made to the frame CiC then contact them. Find out who your partnered with and contact them so as to get an idea on tactics. Have some patience and the worm will turn it always does.

[hammer]

Ignored the first time I'll try again-- more fleshed out!  Split the biggies into wings spread them around and fill with other groups. The big squads still have numbers just spread out in various missions. It might pan out that it could be rotated between large squads so they still get to be the" Lee Malory big wing" on some fso nights.  

What problem does this solve? If the planners want 15 planes on station defending a base or bombing a base or escorting bombers, what does a mixed organization do for you besides disrupting unit cohesion that a larger squad has built flying together? I guess I still don't understand the basic problem we are trying to solve. I've seen solutions in the form of

1. requiring all squads to rotate between axis and allied, even if we only need a few from allied to go to axis every time

2. breaking up large squads and making them operate in areas away from each other (kind of defeats the whole "Friday Squad Ops" and makes it more in line with the scenarios IMHO)

3. Split up the large squads, put them on multiple missions, and fill in those missions with small squads

2 & 3 seem closely related, but I'm not sure what problem they are trying to solve. I kind of get the issue #1 is trying to solve, but the logic of that solution escapes me.

Regards,

Hammer

[Squire]

The large squads run as squads. They do not want to be split up and that's not going to happen. Mandating that is a non-starter and is anathema to the entire concept of FSO.