Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(

[SilverZ06]

Silver.  I think it is simple.  Wether you want to or not everything everyone does here affects the game play.  You can choose to make it better or worse by your actions.  Vulching a shade contributes negatively at best.  This community polices itself.  I'm glad when someone breaking the rules is caught and called out publically.  Sometimes the community gets it wrong and apologies ensue.

I happen to kike playing this game very much.  I want to spend my time playing and recommending this place to others who may also enjoy it.  I want to be proud of the game too.

If poor sportsmanship is not called out then others may see it as acceptable and play that way also, encouraging the next group to also play poorly.  This type of action can then take a life of its on with the momentum swinging to the negative side of gameplay.

If you do not care how someone plays, then why do you care if we do ?

The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.

[BaldEagl]

How so?  They choose not to get their panties in a wad over a game? Im sure on Pewters list of priorities, this doesnt rank that high......heck it isnt even a blip on my map.

The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.

Fisrt of all for the people who do come to play for score and rank (I'm not one but used to be) they're being cheated by Archie.  They have a legitimate beef and if this were to run rampant many honest, play by the rule players, would leave the game.  Why stay in an environment where cheating is tolerated?  Good honest players leaving the game affects everyone's game play and when you're the last of the honest players you may come to see this.

More than that I think people are generally good and have a distaste for unscrupulous people.  None of my friends fit into those categories and for many they come here to play with friends.  Should the community allow these types to enter?  Would you openly let a known cheater into your clique of friends?  From this perspective Archies actions have little immediate effect but the long term degradation of the community is at issue.

If you're tolerant of dishonesty and other unscrupulous acts then good for you.  You'll find a way to surround yourself with these types of people and ultimately become known as one yourself by association.

And then there's the question of where to draw the line.  Bernie Madoff and Kim Jong Un have never done anything to me either.  Good people by your standards.

[SilverZ06]

Fisrt of all for the people who do come to play for score and rank (I'm not one but used to be) they're being cheated by Archie.  They have a legitimate beef and if this were to run rampant many honest, play by the rule players, would leave the game.  Why stay in an environment where cheating is tolerated?  Good honest players leaving the game affects everyone's game play and when you're the last of the honest players you may come to see this.

More than that I think people are generally good and have a distaste for unscrupulous people.  None of my friends fit into those categories and for many they come here to play with friends.  Should the community allow these types to enter?  Would you openly let a known cheater into your clique of friends?  From this perspective Archies actions have little immediate effect but the long term degradation of the community is at issue.

If you're tolerant of dishonesty and other unscrupulous acts then good for you.  You'll find a way to surround yourself with these types of people and ultimately become known as one yourself by association.

And then there's the question of where to draw the line.  Bernie Madoff and Kim Jong Un's never done anything to me either.  Good people by your standards.

your logic is flawed in that everyone in the top spots (overall not just a specific categories)  game the game in one way or another to get those top spots. Bombing runs where you drop 1 bomb in the center of one town and move on, running from fights, staying way high and picking people, spawn camping, etc etc. What they do is no different, it is just harder to track. The scoring system in itself in my opinion has ruined the game play. It encourages such behavior.

If you do not know where to draw line between Bernie Madoff, KJU, Hitler, and a video game, well nothing I can say will change that.

[Shamus]

The line in red is what everyone is saying but no body can give me details as to how it effects the game play. How does ArchieD killing a shade effect me from logging on, choosing my favorite airplane, then taking off in the MA to find a fight and die, rinse and repeat. Even if it were ArchieD who killed me in the fight, his shade vulching has had zero impact on my game play. How does it negatively effect the game play? I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.

When I play golf in a foursome where a guy shaves strokes from his score it has no effect on my game, but it does contribute to my opinion of the guy. I am going to regurgitate a broad statement here, it shows a lack of character for the putz and I'd just as soon not be around him.

shamus  

[Zoney]

I am looking for specifics not just the same broad statement regurgitated by everyone.

I apologize.  I thought I was expressing my opinion.  If many of us are saying the same thing, what you call regurgitation may actually be a consensus of opinion.

[SilverZ06]

I apologize.  I thought I was expressing my opinion.  If many of us are saying the same thing, what you call regurgitation may actually be a consensus of opinion.

I'm sorry Zoney, I was looking for facts as to how game play was effected by Archie's shade killings. A consensus of opinion does not constitute a fact. You know Germany once had a consensus of opinion about the Jews....

[Zoney]

How about we go with the opinion the game owner has.  Vulching shades is against the rules.  I don't really think you need someone to further explain how it adversly affects gameplay. it's wrong and is not allowed, conversation over.

[SilverZ06]

How about we go with the opinion the game owner has.  Vulching shades is against the rules.  I don't really think you need someone to further explain how it adversly affects gameplay. it's wrong and is not allowed, conversation over.

My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.

[icepac]

Sure are a lot of highly ranked bomber pilots who disco when they find someone has climbed up to 35,000 feet to shoot them down.....usually outside of film and proxy kill range.

[LCADolby]

For a start Pewter it makes a mockery of the perk system, achievements and rankings system, which some people play for.
Aswell as taking 2 aircraft/accounts from play for the time that they are boosting.

[68ZooM]

Sure are a lot of highly ranked bomber pilots who disco when they find someone has climbed up to 35,000 feet to shoot them down.....usually outside of film and proxy kill range.

Icepac brings up a great point of how this style of gameplay affects others, what about the fighter pilot who just spent  20 mins plus climbing up to engage the buffs and he just bails out if his buffs. That's another toolbag move and shows a classless person now what if this becomes the norm?  apply  that to fighter planes " oh noes I see an enemy fighter I must bail now "  apply it to gv's and so on.....
Now a toolbag who sets up another account to pad his score  for perkies like I said he's a toolbag so what type of game would we have if a majority of the players did this? The game would be crap and like others have said the good honorable way to play players would just leave, leaving a game full of low lifes

[leitwolf]

My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.

The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.

Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?

[LCADolby]

The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.

Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?

Ruined my next post.

[RELIC]

My whole point is that no one can explain exactly how game play is affected one way or the other. You are solidifying my point.

Thank heavens someone has the courage to stand up for cheaters.  I  you!

[mbailey]

So where do you draw that line of class and honor? For me class and honor is something I try to use in everything I do everyday. I don't pick and choose which things deserve it or not, but thats the way I am. I try to treat everyone with class and honor until they prove they no longer deserve it, yes even in a game. When dealing with other people I don't have certain standards for those I meet face to face, or on line.

In this game you are "dealing" with other people even though they may be a world away, they are still "people" behind those computer screens. Whats wrong with expecting a bit of class and honor from them?

This is an easy one to answer, I treat everyone i meet, weather here in game, or in real life exactly how i would want to be treated, cordually and with respect. When i run into someone that doesnt treat me the same way in return, (in game, or in real life) i dont bother with them anymore. What I dont do is waste my time worrying about them if they have failed to treat me as i treat them. I have much better things to do with my time, than worry about what someone did in a game. Heck, I dont even want to waste my time forming an opinion about them, as thats how little im worried about it.

Now if it is something that has REAL meaning, doing REAL harm to REAL people, of course i care about it, weather its to my friends or family, or even to a complete stranger.....What i dont see this as is REAL harm. Was it right, no...Should it be allowed....no  Am i going to lose sleep over it....not a wink.





PS......Nice pic Redbull