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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #90 on: April 09, 2013, 11:40:34 AM »
Pewter, Are you saying you see no difference between milk running and shade killing?  :salute

That is exactly what I am saying. gaming the game is gaming the game. You are milk running purely for score and perks just as killing a shade is for score and perks. The only real difference is milk running is $15/month cheaper than shade killing. You are both gaming the game (you is speaking in general, not necessarily directed at you vinkman) for score and perks, no other reason. You can't have it both ways.  :cheers:

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #91 on: April 09, 2013, 12:58:55 PM »
That is exactly what I am saying. gaming the game is gaming the game. You are milk running purely for score and perks just as killing a shade is for score and perks. The only real difference is milk running is $15/month cheaper than shade killing. You are both gaming the game (you is speaking in general, not necessarily directed at you vinkman) for score and perks, no other reason. You can't have it both ways.  :cheers:

There's quite a bit of difference between 2 boxing a shade for easy kills and milk running.  With milk running, you're still in the arena, you're still exposed to other people possibly shooting you down if they come after you.  It's lame, but it's not lame at the level of shade killing.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #92 on: April 09, 2013, 01:09:27 PM »
There's quite a bit of difference between 2 boxing a shade for easy kills and milk running.  With milk running, you're still in the arena, you're still exposed to other people possibly shooting you down if they come after you.  It's lame, but it's not lame at the level of shade killing.

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No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them. 

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #93 on: April 09, 2013, 03:01:52 PM »
No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them. 

Hmp.  Should've gotten there myself...  Can't argue with that.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2013, 03:15:25 PM »
No there isn't, The guy killing his shade is also in the arena and subject to the same people coming to kill them.  

Not really tho, right? I mean as he is the shade he knows where all the friendly dots are. So he can fly towards himself at a field where there is no threat. I don't think people fly their shade into a furball and try to find the needle in the haystack and kill it.  He may not even have to be vulching. He can fly his shade over his base, and take off to kill it. Absolutely no threat to himself. A milk runner must enter enemy territory and stay there a long time. They are visible on Radar and Dar bar and they are easily huntable. The milk runner can not control the outcome. Ask the 10 buffs I killed in a single 410 sortie two weeks ago.

shade killing is cheating because you are controlling aspects of the game that were not meant to be in your control. Like hacking the code to make your plane indestructable and turn trhee times as tight as normal, and having unlimited amo, would not be "gaming the game". It is...unethical. Milk running is not unethical, as it is game play as game play was intended.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #95 on: April 09, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »
I politely, disagree. Dog fight a 262 and you will eventually lose it. But hey if they're "Free" because of perk farming, no worries. I'll bet some of these shade farmers are will eventually be the best 262 pilots in the game. You can't up 262s in the DA. So the only real dog fighting experience you can get is in the MA. That experience is supposed to be limitted because of the perk system. But if you can just Perk farm by killing shades, there is, effectively, no perk system.

Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.

Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #96 on: April 09, 2013, 09:13:06 PM »
Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.

Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2013, 12:15:35 AM »
When I milkrun in my Seventeens I fly at 15k.  Come and get me.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2013, 09:46:39 AM »
Maybe I underestimate how quickly those perks build up. I would think that it's a long and boring process controlling two aircraft to rack up, 300(?) points. And I thought their main objective was to rank themselves and woo the arena with high score not to be 262 aces.

Dont get me wrong, it's lame as it gets and public humiliation fits the bill. It's a laughable crime, not an outrage.

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They don't do it for perk farming...they do it for ranking.  That's why its laughable.  There are reputations to forge right?  Who cares how its forged...cheating or fighting or cheating and shooting, lol.  If their ranking is high, they can claim skilz, thus WIN.  Amazingly enough, I haven't run across a lot of skill players that care much about their ranking....ever.

This is just someone taking a dump in the public pool...drain it, clean it and fill it back up.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2013, 09:55:57 AM »
Saw a lot of "SYSTEM:  ArchieD landed 3 kills in an ME-262" last night.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2013, 10:51:01 AM »
They don't do it for perk farming...they do it for ranking.  That's why its laughable.  


You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.

Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2013, 11:29:57 AM »

You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.

Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.

How are you conducting this survey? ~36 in just two months seems way low. I easily make that in less than 2-3 hours of playing. Granted I fly a 38G and 38J and always try to kill the 5eny birds first but 36 in two months is insane. Hell Ive landed over 100 perkies in two sorties one Saturday morning.

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2013, 11:46:12 AM »
How are you conducting this survey? ~36 in just two months seems way low. I easily make that in less than 2-3 hours of playing. Granted I fly a 38G and 38J and always try to kill the 5eny birds first but 36 in two months is insane. Hell Ive landed over 100 perkies in two sorties one Saturday morning.

The individual player can make much more at a time depending on skill level and luck. I once landed myself almost 100 perks with one sortie, no rearm, and I could do about 1000 per tour when flying fighters more than I currently do.

But that's far outside the scope of the average AH player, which only gets about 3 kills per hour in the long run. In the past I estimated perk gains based on those stats, i.e. k/h, k/d and which planes are generally beign used and killed. I can do that for all players in the arena.
And 3 kills means (at balanced sides) slightly more than 3 perks on average. (Boosting perk gain by flying ENY 30 planes isn't an option for many players)

And currently I'm using the new achievement sheet in game, which tells me exactly how many perks a player earned since the last reset (end of january), and his peak perk balance. It's still in progress, that's why I haven't published it yet.
So far I sampled about 100 players (randomly chosen amongst those that had been active for at least 3 tours), and the really good ones have earned in the range of 500-600 perks, one topping at 984.  But that's a very small minority of players

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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2013, 11:51:47 AM »

You can easily spot the perk farming by looking at the planes. In all arenas he took a ENY 40 plane and killed hundreds of ENY 5 planes, despite that being much more noticeable than the other way around. Gives massive perk points (I estimate Archie's perk gain at about 1000 perks in extremely short time), while having no special impact on score.

Keep in mind the average player is effectively earning in the range of 1-5 perks per hour of flight time. I'm currently running a perk survey and so far the average player has earned ~36 fighter perks in just over two months. I, certainly being alot above the average and spending immense amount of time playing this game, earned just over 1000. ArchieD earned more than 4K in a fraction of that time.

Notice I said "They".  I was speaking in generalities with regard to shade killing because ultimately it could be both reasons.  I have fought ArchieD many many times and although he's not the best fighter I've ever fought, he's certainly OK enough to hold his own for a time with most guys in the game...I was guessing he wanted rank because of that.  Obviously, based on your homework, he is attempting to accumulate perks to rent perk rides to further his non-shade fighter ranking...if Triton28 was correct in stating he saw ArchieD landing kills all night in a 262.
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Re: Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(
« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2013, 02:31:42 PM »
I know I saw it at least twice.  I remember because both times I thought about saying something really witty on 200.  Then I remembered that I'm a nice guy and I'm not that witty.   :frown:

His stats so far this tour support the "slutty perk farmer" theory:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killstat.php?selectTour=LWTour159&player=ArchieD&kt=14
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