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Offline helbent

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Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« on: April 06, 2013, 01:24:51 PM »
Glock 21 owners, do you use the magazine extension?  I have the extensions on mine, but wondering if anyone uses their middle finger as trigger finger and index on the frame.  Concealment purposes.

Also I am looking for opinions on 12 G shotguns.  Was thinking mossberg 535.  Your opinions please.

Also looking at rifles.  300 winmag, 30-06, or 270.  Was leaning towards the 06 but your opinions please.  Include manufacturer.

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 01:36:28 PM »
Glock?  Why the 21?  That thing loaded is heavier than you think.  If you think you want all that extra weight then by all means.  As far as the mag extensions, I say not to even bother.  Again, your just adding more weight and even though they are "factory" upgrades I'd hesitate to let the spring get that far extended.  There have been many reports of the follower not being able to extend quick enough to lock the slide open after the last round.  Take it for what it is worth.  I've got a few thousands rounds through a Glock 22 thanks to my LEO background.  I hate Glocks.  I prefer the Sig 226.   :D  Glocks are a good gun, I just don't care for them for a multitude of reasons.  If I were you I'd look more in to the 9mm or 40SW and forget the .45 ACP, but its your call.

As far as a 12 gauge shotgun goes, the Mossberg 535 is a fine choice.  Lots of accessories available and it is certainly robust enough. Also, Remington 870 is good as well.  There will be some that will knee jerk the "Benelli" response, but do not drink that kool-aid either.  There is nothing special about Benelli other than a hefty price tag.

Rifles?  First, figure out your purpose with the rifle.  If you're going to shoot targets all day long then forge the .300 Win Mag., or any of those large caliber rifles and go with a .223, .22-250, or other such 6mm or smaller.  If you want a combo target gun and hunting rifle, then look at the venerable .308 Win, .30-06, .270 Win, etc.  You really cant go wrong with "which manufacturer".  Remington, Ruger, and Savage are all tried and true and easily available.  Winchester as well.  Browning is a fine rifle but you'll pay more for a bit more shine.  I like Remington and Savage rifles (that is all I use for hunting, varmints, and long range shooting), but I'd not hesitate to go with a Ruger for your first rifle either.

  
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 01:57:39 PM »
I have the G-23 but it is a bit too big for everyday concealed carry.  The G-21 is a big gun.
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 02:03:33 PM »
i like the 870 remm
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »
Never cared for those dinky pistols.. I prefer a full sized service automatic.. Any of the major Manufacturers offerings will get the job done.. In function, they are all pretty much the same.. Slap Rack Bang Bang!

30/06 is your best choice of the ones you listed.. Any of the Manufacturers bolties will satisfy your needs as well..

Again, A pump shotgun, is pretty much a pump shotgun.. The diffs between Rem Moss and Win are not enough to make a difference.. Chunk Chunk, Bang! There ya go..

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 08:12:00 PM »
I've got a glock 27 and have the pinky extension on the mag that is supposed to make it 10 rounds but I never load 10. I only still load 9. Even being a sub-compact it is still way too big and bulky to carry concealed everyday. When I do carry it I am always worried someone is going to see it bulging from my side. I prefer to carry my S&W 360PD revolver in my front pocket. The holster gives it the outline of a wallet and the texture on the holster grabs the pocket lining so that the holster stays in your pocket when you draw the gun.

For shotguns what purpose will you be using for? Hunting, target sports, or home defense? I love my browning 725 sporting but it is strictly a target gun (can hunt with it but I haven't) but it would not be a good choice for home defense with only holding 2 rounds and having long 32" barrels with 1" extended chokes. What is your budget? Prefer Pump, O/U, Semi, SxS?

Rifles, can't help ya there, sorry.

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 09:57:11 PM »
Ive a glock19 with a glock17 mag+the 2 rnd extender for a total of 19 rounds per mag.t  I used to carry that everywhere, but lately Ive just been pocketing my ruger LCP 380 (6 rnd clip).  It has a nice conforming base on the magazine that makes for a very comfortable grip.
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 12:48:36 PM »
Glock 21 owners, do you use the magazine extension?  I have the extensions on mine, but wondering if anyone uses their middle finger as trigger finger and index on the frame.  Concealment purposes.

Also I am looking for opinions on 12 G shotguns.  Was thinking mossberg 535.  Your opinions please.

Also looking at rifles.  300 winmag, 30-06, or 270.  Was leaning towards the 06 but your opinions please.  Include manufacturer.

thx

Whoa.  I'll apologize right now, I read your post the first time way too fast obviously.  If you're main goal is concealment than I *HIGHLY* suggest you forget the Glock 21, or any full sized handgun for that matter. Remember, if the goal is concealed carry than that is primary: you have to be able to hide it.  Period.  You cant hide a G21, G17, Sig 226, Beretta 92, 1911, etc. They are too big unless it is the dead of winter and you're wearing a parka.  Instead think *small*, think Walther PPK (James Bond's pistol), think Sig 232 (my personal choice), Ruger LC9, or at the most a Glock 19/23 or Smith and Wesson M&P compact.  You want something you can *hide*, shoot easy enough so that you'll practice and practice some more (the .45 ACP, and even the .40 SW are heavy hitters and are not kind to light compact guns, fatigue is an issue!).  Think 9mm Luger or .380 ACP for caliber.   :aok
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 02:09:31 PM »
Woops.  Sry guys I meant glock 27 gen 4.  Also what I mean is the pinky extender that replaces the base plate.



I also mean the difference between shooting with index finger with the extender.  (using the pinky extender)



Or shooting with the middle finger while the index is along the body of the weapon.  (using the standard mag base plate)

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 02:36:21 PM »
The plate extension does not increase mag capacity.

1st pic sucked sry
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 06:14:46 PM »
don't know much bout the pistols, but rifles I know some.  as stated before what are you doing with the rifle?  I grew up in Colorado and have a Winchester model 70 chambered in 300 win mag.  I love the gun, great for plastering elk, bear, or moose.  I live in Vermont now where we have coyote sized deer and its kinda over kill, but the draw back is the price of ammo unless you handload then its cheaper.  270 is a good little gun, great for white tails.  I think if I were to buy a new gun for hunting here it would be a 243, light fast round.  target shooting I would love to get an ar15.

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 07:20:12 PM »
Honestly none of the Glocks are good for concealing.

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 07:22:11 PM »
The plate extension does not increase mag capacity.





I hold it normally and shoot with my index finger. You will have a nice cut on your index finger from the slide if you shoot with your middle finger.

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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2013, 08:22:14 PM »
Just find what works for you and go with it.

I carry a XDm .45acp 3.8" compact (similar size to a Glock 30) and I use the Pierce pinky extension on my 9rd mag (13rd mag has the grip sleeve).  It is just more comfortable for me to have a place for my pinky to go and does not effect concealment at all.

Using your middle finger as the trigger finger is a bad idea, learn to use the weapon as it was designed to be used.  I too imagine the slide cutting you with that high of a grip.

Silver...   Pierce makes both kinds of mag extensions.  The one Hellbent has does not change capacity, but they do make others with +1 or +2 capacity like you have.

Honestly none of the Glocks are good for concealing.

Tens of thousand of Glock owners would disagree.

Whoa.  I'll apologize right now, I read your post the first time way too fast obviously.  If you're main goal is concealment than I *HIGHLY* suggest you forget the Glock 21, or any full sized handgun for that matter. Remember, if the goal is concealed carry than that is primary: you have to be able to hide it.  Period.  You cant hide a G21, G17, Sig 226, Beretta 92, 1911, etc. They are too big unless it is the dead of winter and you're wearing a parka.  Instead think *small*, think Walther PPK (James Bond's pistol), think Sig 232 (my personal choice), Ruger LC9, or at the most a Glock 19/23 or Smith and Wesson M&P compact.  You want something you can *hide*, shoot easy enough so that you'll practice and practice some more (the .45 ACP, and even the .40 SW are heavy hitters and are not kind to light compact guns, fatigue is an issue!).  Think 9mm Luger or .380 ACP for caliber.   :aok

I disagree, while I usually carry the XDm compact, I have found that with its thinner frame a full size 1911 conceals just as easily, and I know there are many folks who carry them daily.  Also if you carry IWB barrel length doesn't really matter, and with a little cant to the holster a slightly longer grip does not make much difference either.  BUT... it all depends on many variable, body shape, how you dress etc.

 You are putting everyone into one category here.  People are different, they have different body sizes/shapes, dress differently, different strength levels, and different skill levels.  Sure for someone with a thin build and scrawny arms a .45 may not work, but I can shoot either my XDm .45 or my 1911 .45  all day with no fatigue, and I can conceal them both easily.  As for caliber, smaller DOES NOT = easier to shoot or less recoil, there are to many other variables involved.  I much prefer the recoil of my XDm .45 (shooting 230g standard pressure, tried some 185g +P and that's a whole 'nuther story) to that of a Ruger LCP .380 (shooting standard pressure 90g) the little .380 is just too small for me, the recoil is bad (not more powerful per se, just "bad" for me) I can't keep a grip on it between shots, and I can't hit squat with it.  I'm NOT ragging on the LCP though, just making my point that there is no one size fits all.  I have a friend who carries the LCP and loves it, it just doesn't work for me.  Smaller caliber does not = smaller gun either.  Think Springfield XDs (in .45acp) VS. Beretta 92f (in 9mm)

There is no "one size fits all" when it comes to concealed or self-defense handguns.  Each person has to reach their own conclusions as to what works best for them, be it revolver, semi-auto, full size, compact, sub-compact, caliber choice, hammer or striker, etc...
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Re: Gun guys and Glock 21 owners
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 02:39:50 AM »
(the .45 ACP, and even the .40 SW are heavy hitters and are not kind to light compact guns, fatigue is an issue!)

I just bought a XDs in .45, and for such a small gun recoil is surprisingly managable.  Someone with big hands may have a little trouble with it though. 
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