Ground Attack Plane P38L or P47D-40?

[Ack-Ack]

Just to throw it out there;

410 is the best de-acker in the game cause of the 50mm high rate of fire/range and multile attack options (added dive bomb approach with dive flaps).

B-25H is.  It can take out acks further out then the Me 410 can.

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[tunnelrat]

B-25H is.  It can take out acks further out then the Me 410 can.

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What is the difference in rate of fire though?

[Triton28]

The range on the 25H kinda negates the slower rate of fire.  One ranging shot is usually all you need for the big gun and then it's pretty easy to take out guns <Marv Albert voice> from way downtown.  Plus, you've got a whole buncha 50's to back ya up if you flub one.   

25H is my favorite non-fighter in the game by far.   

[Torquila]

While a possibility, it can't do it while diving vertical (lose wings).

Thus is why the 410 is the better of the two.

[Triton28]

While a possibility, it can't do it while diving vertical (lose wings).

Thus is why the 410 is the better of the two.

You can divebomb in a 25H... albeit not from 12k with power on.  Why would you want to dive on anything though?  Loiter slowly and punish with the cannon!   

[Torquila]

Thats only practical if you want to harass v fields with no cap, when you are facing a solid fighter cap at low-mid alts on a main field or a large one, it is by far the best.

Sheesh, even a spitfire can clear a v field pretty soundly :X

[Triton28]

Thats only practical if you want to harass v fields with no cap, when you are facing a solid fighter cap at low-mid alts on a main field or a large one, it is by far the best.

Sheesh, even a spitfire can clear a v field pretty soundly :X

I don't think a 25H or a 410 is going to do much deacking with a solid enemy fighter cap on the field.

   

[cobia38]

 As far as damage value in terms of egg delivery goes,no other attack plane can match the Havoc

[The Fugitive]

I find myself looking for the attribute of escape speed because of those times you end up on a field attack just as the reds start lifting off in large numbers or you end are out of sequence with all the green guys going down or out of fuel.  You might get just one pass on a hanger before you get swarmed.  A P38 just can't escape but the 47s have a chance. 

Not only that but I don't care how many targets are available for the reds a P38 will get the most attention.  I had a film of 10 reds chasing my 38  on the deck halfway across the sector.  It emptied the base.  The remaining green guys had a free hand with the field.  My squad mates look forward to my selecting a 38.  It is like bait.

The trick here isn't "looking for the attribute of escape speed" it is learning how to bomb well, and then FIGHT with your chosen plane. If you find your self screaming along the deck with a conga line following you it is most likely because you dropped much to low, or you dove through bad guys to get your bombs off.

Learning how and when to bomb better will keep you out of those situations better. Learning how to fight will help you finish off those foolish enough to follow you. Both the 38 and 47 zoom very well, better than most. Nose down for speed, start a slow climb to drag out the bandits, then zoom until you hit 45 MPH (the 47, not so slow), roll over and kill them all on the way down. 

I think learning to fight first and then to bomb is the best way to go. After all, MOST don't just chuck their plane after they drop 

[Letalis]

that was pretty much my thoughts....except the pursuit typically STARTS at our near deck, and the guy in the D40 is eventually is forced to begin a fight with a spit on his 6

Yes, if pursuit starts on the deck, good luck...

As for being able to cap a field, a D40 free of ord with half a tank of gas will give a Spit 9 (~3800fpm) a run for its money.  If you're starting the BnZ bit 5-6k above Spit 16s, you negate most of their 1k fpm (~4800) climb advantage by forcing the break turn.  The D40 in particular can BnZ better climbers for a dangerously long period of time.  What about the M Jug?  Sure, the numbers are there, but I wouldn't know firsthand, only jug I don't fly.  If it weren't for the lack of ANY A-G ord it'd probably be perk worthy.  As it is, the M jug basically feels like a pony on steriods with no purpose in life other than shooting down hordes of vastly inferior aircraft.  Such horrific lack of versatility is exactly opposite what a jug should be.       

[bozon]

What about the M Jug?  Sure, the numbers are there, but I wouldn't know firsthand, only jug I don't fly.  If it weren't for the lack of ANY A-G ord it'd probably be perk worthy.  As it is, the M jug basically feels like a pony on steriods with no purpose in life other than shooting down hordes of vastly inferior aircraft.  Such horrific lack of versatility is exactly opposite what a jug should be.       

HUH?! 

The Jug was born as a fighter, raised as a fighter, achieved great success as a fighter and only then someone came up with the idea to strap some bombs to it and see what happens. It is a fighter that added the attack option, not the other way around. Versatility was discovered, not designed. The M Jug follows the tradition of the razorbacks as pure high altitude fighters, the role they were made for.

Jugs, not even the M are superior to the other 1945 planes in MA conditions. Take the fight up to 25+ kft and suddenly the purpose of the big clumsy turbo-supercharger becomes a little clearer. At 0-10k the jugs can be formidable opponents, but it still requires a good pilot to use them - they will not win the fight for you.

While I can strap a bomb on to the D11, It feels totally wrong. Same principle applies to the M had it had the option. You do not load a Thoroughbred with sacks like it was some beast of burden!

[Randy1]

Jugs seem to loose a landing gear as often as a P38 looses and engine.  Well, maybe not quite that often.

[bj229r]

I've had an impressive amount of vert stabs lately..which can't suck enough when you've only one to start with

[Zoney]

Jugs seem to loose a landing gear as often as a P38 looses and engine.  Well, maybe not quite that often.

This has not been my observation.  I find nothing tougher than a P47.  Also, when it does take damage, it's amazing how many parts you can shed and still limp her home.

The P47 is my friend.

[Wiley]

When I take hits and see 'landing gear' as the only thing in my damaged list, I fly on with a smile, thanks to the nonessential equipment having taken the hit.   Same with an oil hit on a jug.  Unless I'm far, far from home I keep fighting, as I'll probably run out of ammo before I run out of oil.

Wiley.