Defeating the Brewster?

[macleod01]

Ladies and Gents,

I have been playing this game off and on for a long time and I always like a challenge. When I say a challenge, I am now reported to be clinically insane in my squad as my idea of a fast plane is a Spit V. I normally fly EW planes such as the Spit 1, Hurri 1 and 109E. If I make a bomb run, its now in a HE 111. That's my idea of a challenge. I say this so the instant response isn't "Get another plane"

Last night I had the terrible misfortune to get caught by a Brewster. Twice. In an Emil. Both times I was destroyed, rather predictably.

My question is, when in this situation, what is my best option? I tried diving however the Brewster drops like a stone. I tried climbing, he stayed on me. He can turn tighter than me, even when I have full flaps deployed.

Any suggestions as to tactics I can use to turn the tables on this little blighter?

[Karnak]

A6M2 or Ki-43-II should make short work of one while keeping you in your slow, early war plane.  The Hurricane Mk I, A6M3 and A6M5b can probably do it in as well.

[macleod01]

Thanks for the advice Karnak. I appreciate it. However I am more meaning while I am in the Emil. I am looking to be a proper luftweenie with the HE 111 being my main bomber and the Emil as my standard fighter. It still surprises me how much people under estimate that little beauty. Against most planes I stand a decent chance or know one or two tricks. For example most planes I can turn inside of, the likes of a Zeke or Hurri, I can dive away from, but none of these tricks help with the Brewster.

Any suggestions?

[Karnak]

BnZ.  Emil is faster and climbs better.  It isn't a terribly comfortable margin, but it is there, and it is pretty much all you have over the Brewster.  Be aggressive in your BnZ though, hammer him down and bleed his E out and then kill him.  Don't do the 5 mile extension as you'll never bleed his E.  You need to get above him to do this though.

[macleod01]

Ok, thanks Karnak. I have to say it will be an experience for me. As soon as a plane gets on my 6, my instant reaction is to start to turn. I'm not used to being able to outclimb an opponent, let alone usig BnZ tactics.

[Latrobe]

You should be able to out turn a brewster in an Emil if you use flaps and make the right turns. I've beat many brewsters in a turn fight with my 109F. The key is not to make a turn to defeat his attack, but to think where he will be once he overshoots and make a turn so you can get guns on him as soon as he does overshoot.

I might not be explaining it very well, so here's a link to a video I posted not too long ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKclSEGdOWU

The very first fight is my 109F vs a Brewster. Several times I make a turn that both forces an overshoot, and I get guns on him.

[Karnak]

You should be able to out turn a brewster in an Emil if you use flaps and make the right turns. I've beat many brewsters in a turn fight with my 109F. The key is not to make a turn to defeat his attack, but to think where he will be once he overshoots and make a turn so you can get guns on him as soon as he does overshoot.

I might not be explaining it very well, so here's a link to a video I posted not too long ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKclSEGdOWU

The very first fight is my 109F vs a Brewster. Several times I make a turn that both forces an overshoot, and I get guns on him.

Has that been tested?  Watching the video it looks like you largely out flew an inferior pilot.

[Latrobe]

I can't say I have gone to the DA with a super pilot and put it to the ultimate test, but I've run into several different pilots in their brewster in the MA and have lasted for quite a while before I finally made a mistake or got a critical hit on them.

Honestly though, how many of the best pilots in this game fly the brewster? Vudu maybe, but I think the Ki43 is his new love  . I'd say 99% of the brewsters I've seen have flown like the guy in the video.

[coombz]

Ok, thanks Karnak. I have to say it will be an experience for me. As soon as a plane gets on my 6, my instant reaction is to start to turn. I'm not used to being able to outclimb an opponent, let alone usig BnZ tactics.

I think it's always going to be a big problem if the fight is starting when the Brewster gets on your 6   (as you seem to be describing in your posts in this thread)

I disagree with Karnak's comment that you should be able to outclimb him in your Emil, in my experience a Brewster will be able to stay with you for long enough to be a problem even in a Spit16, unless you have a decent E advantage to start with (which generally won't be the case if he is latching onto your 6).

You really need to deal with the Brewster on your own terms rather than fighting defensively against it, I think in a slow EW or MW plane it's always going to be very hard once it gets on your 6. If you get a good merge then Karnak's suggestion of outclimbing and BnZing might be viable, although again from my position as a Spit16 dweeb I would probably only try this if I had a good E advantage rather than being in an equal E merge.

[Vudu15]

You cant out fly a Brewster in a 109E if the pilot is any good hell get you every time, you do have to try and stay above him, if youre co alt and co e with a Brew in a E youre in a serious problem. Dbrody wanted to test his 109 E against a Brewster and 5K to the deck we went and I got him every time, now once he swapped to the F4 whole other game he made me work but so did he.

Now once you've changed to the F4 the tables turn with your better engine its easier to extend to stall fight out climb you can hit him in the BnZ. Its a robust airframe it will dive to 550 mph where the gauge stops measuring and you can pull out with no stress sounds, if a Brew loses a whole elevator it will turn tighter to that side, depending on location it will fly for 10 to 15 mins on a oil hit, and can operate pretty well with a half wing. It also is very good at hiding how much E it has left and can gain some back but only in dives. but with a level speed of ~250 its slow as heck and can be chased down by everything or ran from depending on situation. Its also no good above 18K and above as its engine loses a ton of power but remember it can dive and wont compress so be careful.

Now Hurr Is and Sea Hurris are more short work for a Brew as it has a stronger engine than the early Hurris, but against the the Hurri II changes again and its more of a toss up to see who is the better pilot. KI43s should make short work of Brews unless the pilot is poor in the KI and the Zekes are also based on pilot but should kill Brewsters easy as the can play in the Vert and for the fight into their hands.

[SmokinLoon]

The wonderBrewster plane is good at many things, surprisingly.  Very surprisingly.  You need a plane that can either match the wonderBrewster move for move (Zeke, Oscar, Hurricane), or a plane that can out accelerate, climb better, and fly faster (pick one), or you need a plane that can easily hammer down and extend away  and reposition for an attack at higher speeds (P51, Dora, Temp). 

Do not knife fight the wonderBrewster unless your schwartz is as big as his.

[macleod01]

So summing up this thread, If I run into a Brewster in my 109E, I may as well fly straight and level 

Seriously though, this thread has not told me anything I did not suspect. I just wanted it clarifying by people who know better than I do. Oh well, I'll just need to look for easier targets

[Debrody]

Yea, the Emil has absolutely nothing against the brewster, except some speed at altitude.

[Saxman]

How does the 109E handle E retention in a spiral climb vs. the Brewster?

[Vudu15]

Id say evenly matched, with the Brew's large rudder it should easily maintain an angle for shooting. Not the time Id want to find out if the guy driving the Brewster was a good shot.