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Offline Pudgie

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2013, 04:26:53 PM »
Just to add a little tidbit to this discussion............

On the Abit IP35 Pro mobo...........

This mobo had issues when a 45nm C2D CPU was used & was fixed w/ a BIOS update back in the day.

I have 1 still in use (wife's box) w/ a C2D Quad 6600 w/ 3D0 stepping (65nm).
I don't have the BIOS update (which is why I'm still holding on to a spare C2D 6850 Conroe 3.0 65nm CPU for it) & this mobo (along w/ Abit) is no more.

As was already mentioned, I wouldn't mess around w/ a CPU upgrade for that Abit mobo unless you can aquire the BIOS fix for 45nm C2D CPU's..............

Hope this helps.......................

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2013, 05:08:14 PM »
Download NTune directly from Nvidia or EVGA (if that's what your card is).  There's a quick OC option that takes about 10 seconds then you can save it as a profile.

OCing the processor is time consuming as you want to take small steps and test between them for stability and temperature with a program like Prime95.  If you decide to go that route PM me and I can walk you through it.  It's not that hard, only time consuming.  You'd be able to OC with the stock HS/Fan but an aftermarket unit (I paid $35 for mine) would allow you to go further.

You're about right on the cost of new... $700-800 for something you'd like.  Intel Core I5 Ivy Bridge K series CPU, appropriate mobo for your needs, 1600+ DDR3 RAM and about $300ish for a 6xx series NVidia card (I'm not familiar with AMD).  Tweak to budget.

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2013, 07:29:46 AM »
Max, OCing your old machine wont result wonders, even though a good +15% performance can be gained rather easilyand safely.

From 800$, you would like to get the best gaming performance, right? Then i would say, i5-3570K, suitable mobo, 550W <quality> PSU, 8 gigs of DDR3-1600 and the best ATI VGA what fits in the budget. The whole 7800-7900 series are pretty decent and the last time i checked, they were cheaper than the NVidia cards with the same performance.

But just as Bizman said above, if your rig can run your game well enough, why bother?
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2013, 10:26:27 AM »
So I think I'll bite the bullit and refurbish the system with the following from Newegg -

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy bridge 3.4 GHz $219.99
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series (2 x 4 GB 240 pin DDR3 - $79.99
Asus P8Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb's USB 3.0 ATX Intel MOBO - $134.99
EVGA Geforce GTX 650 Ti Boost SuperClocked 2 GB - $179.99

Total - $614.96

Maybe a new HD as well given the 5 yr old one I'm using.

Whacha think?

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2013, 10:45:29 AM »
While you're at it, why not build a totally new rig. The extra cost wouldn't be too much, all would be brand new and under warranty plus you'd have a decent spare AH capable spare computer just in case.

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2013, 10:52:44 AM »
Valid suggestion Biz but between PS, HD, case, DVD, etc I'll be looking at an additional $300 + :cry

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2013, 11:02:32 AM »
So I think I'll bite the bullit and refurbish the system with the following from Newegg -

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy bridge 3.4 GHz $219.99
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series (2 x 4 GB 240 pin DDR3 - $79.99
Asus P8Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb's USB 3.0 ATX Intel MOBO - $134.99
EVGA Geforce GTX 650 Ti Boost SuperClocked 2 GB - $179.99

Total - $614.96

Maybe a new HD as well given the 5 yr old one I'm using.

Whacha think?

That's pretty close to what I'd buy if I were upgrading now.  It will be an improvement but It may not be a huge leap which is why I've held off considering I don't have any significant performance issues now.  It will however, move you into current technology (until they change things again next year).
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2013, 11:05:28 AM »
So I think I'll bite the bullit and refurbish the system with the following from Newegg -

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy bridge 3.4 GHz $219.99
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series (2 x 4 GB 240 pin DDR3 - $79.99
Asus P8Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb's USB 3.0 ATX Intel MOBO - $134.99
EVGA Geforce GTX 650 Ti Boost SuperClocked 2 GB - $179.99

Total - $614.96

Maybe a new HD as well given the 5 yr old one I'm using.

Whacha think?

That's a solid plan right there.  If you don't get the hard drive and you want to spend $800, you'll see gains by spending your remaining $185.04 on the video card, a GTX660 Ti or GTX670.  But for ~ $600 you've nailed it perfectly price/performance-wise IMO.

Edit:  You might consider an after-market CPU cooler too, it'll help your overclock if you do that, help to keep the noise down if you don't.  Plenty of reviews to choose from, here's one with some nice comparison charts: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/26/phanteks_phtc12dx_cpu_air_cooler_review/3
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2013, 11:40:23 AM »
Valid suggestion Biz but between PS, HD, case, DVD, etc I'll be looking at an additional $300 + :cry
I calculated that you'd be changing the hard disk anyway, five years is well over an average lifetime of a hdd. Aside from that, a solid and well ventilated case is about $50, a DVD-RW $20, a good psu $100. A hard disk would be from 70'ish to 150'ish depending on the amount of terabytes, so that would raise the addition to 300+. Oh, and I forgot: A new Windows license...

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2013, 06:06:28 PM »
Good plan IMO Max.  You can always add some of those other things that have been recommended later, right, but for now, those upgrades will get you back into the game, and pretty much every other game, with a good kick in the pants in terms of performance.

Be sure you O/C that system too, the 3570k is the "celeron 300" of our day, back when everyone clocked their 300 Celery up to the P2 450 mhz's speed.  That MB you picked out should o/c very well with the 3570k chip, and if you need help, lots of guys like Chal and others will give you more help than you'll know what to do with if you ask here.  As stated, you'll need a decent cooler, and there are lots for cheap $ for you to pick from.  Don't go and spend 85$ on the DH14 or anything like that, it's overkill and over $ for your upgrade path IMO, but there are lots in the sub 40$ range that will more than do the job required.  The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is one of the most popular budget minded coolers out there.  It's not necessarily the "best", but in terms for bang for the $, it's hard to find one that is better by a huge margin.  You can find it for under 30$ if you look around, and everybody and their dog sells them for 35$ max.  

If you can afford another 25 or 30$, that Phanteks mentioned a few posts back is probably the best performing cooler for under 100$.  If it had been available when I bought the DH14 cooler I have on my 3820 system, I would have gone with the dual fan version of it for around 60$, which is 25$ less than the DH14, and it is quieter and performs better to boot.
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2013, 06:40:57 PM »
Debrody coaxed me into checking out ATI cards. A little research turned up the Radeon 7850 2G. It out performed the 650 Ti Boost with only a slight wattage increase. Price is about $20 more vs the NV card.

Any of you familiar with this card? Any one manufacturer preferred? I'm not familiar with ATI products.

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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2013, 08:14:47 PM »
Six of one, half dozen of the other Max.  You'll find either of those cards, the nVidia or AMD will suit your purpose just fine.  If there is anyplace to stretch your budget, at least IMO, it is your GPU.  If you can afford to jump up to the 7950 from the 7850, the payoff is pretty good, particularly with that 3570k CPU overclocked.  For about another 100$, you can jump up from the 7850 to the 7950, or for around half that much, approx 50$ more, you could move up to the 7870.  

Just floating some ideas for you - I know a TON of people with the 7950 card, in fact, the 3570k/7950/etc/etc is a very "standard" gaming and do-it-all configuration.  Skuzzy has that 7950 I believe, Mace, and several other BBS persona of note, maybe ask them if they think it's worth it if you're going to go AMD for your GPU.  I have a squadmate with the 7870 and we has nothing but great things to say about it, and his CPU isn't as fast as your new one will be.

As for brands, it's pretty subjective, but I've read a lot of hate from the "hardware" sites like Toms etc regarding the HIS brand. Then again, I've read a couple of guys swear by their ICE HIS cards.  PNY also has a sort of shaky rep from what I've read, many people accuse them of sourcing the absolute cheapest parts available, and have an equally bad rep warranty wise.  Again, subjective, but very common to see BBS posts regarding the same opinion.  Asus, MSI, Gigabyte/windforce, XFX, and Sapphire all have a fairly solid rep from what I've read as well, but again, it's subjective.  One thing I've read pretty much universally regarding AMD cards is the XFX has by far and away the best and easiest to deal with warranty program.  If you google "best AMD brand video cards", you'll get the phone book from Tomshardware etc, spend half an hour or so reading through some of the opinions there would be my advice before narrowing down some of the question you may want to ask some of the AH players here.

Other than that, I would ask Debrody, he reads and knows a lot about the AMD cards and their value/performance/quirks, or Chalenge as well.  My vid cards are all nVidia now, but I ran an ASUS 5770 for a year or so back when it was "the" card, and it punched way above its weight for a long time.  As I said, there are a lot of AH players who have all three of the AMD cards you should probably be considering.  Sorry to blather on, but like I said, the GPU is the most important decision you have to make now that you've picked the CPU you have, and if you plan on keeping it as long as your last system, you should make it with the most and best info you can get IMO.
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2013, 10:16:41 PM »
Max,

Just like as Tundra said, you cant go wrong with Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, XFX, or Sapphire, among from theese, i would choose the cheapest one with the longest warranty.
One thing that stands behind the 7850/7950: they are a bit clipped down versions of the 7870/7970, but they are also greatly downclocked, while the 650 Ti Boost is clocked pretty high. So it has a very good chance that the 7850 can easily run at 1GHz instead of the stock 850MHz, giving you some extra performance.
But the 650 Ti Boost for 170-180$ is a fair deal, if you have any reason to stay with the NVidia, choose this. The 680 for 500 what is overpriced, since there is an about 5-7% faster 7970 GHz edition for ~450$.
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2013, 10:40:21 PM »
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Re: Homebuilt CPU upgrade advice appreciated
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2013, 11:14:48 PM »
Dear Mr WhatchYourLanguage,

true, its a hungarian test site of a GTX Titan test, but the graphs might be pretty understandable, what games they tested, and under which settings. Also, there is a test cofiguration description on the 5th page.
http://prohardver.hu/teszt/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_az_egy_gpu-s_goliat/erodemonstracio_nvidia-modra.html

To sum it, in that case if you dont have the patience to scroll it through, here is the summing page:
http://prohardver.hu/teszt/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_az_egy_gpu-s_goliat/osszegzes.html
The first graph shows the relative speed of each cards while the second shows the performance/consumption. The larger bar is better in both cases.

Sorry good sir, i was wrong, the 7970 GE is not 7, but 20% faster than the 680 in the modern, dx11 games. And as for AH, true, it isnt in the test package, but isnt it totally equal that it runs with 200 or 220 fps? Max said it earlyer that his 9800GTX is running this game well. Also, in 2013, its pretty funny to judge a card's performance only by its texel fillrate.

I wouldnt buy a Titan to play CoD2, but thats just me  ;)
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