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Offline bozon

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2013, 07:33:17 AM »
ENY is something that really should change for some planes.

Since I fly formation regularly with Bozon in his Mossie, being outperformed in ALL aspects but dive-speed, finding out Mossie has higher ENY than my hippo A8, you realize something is wrong.

That's just because you are lazy and I am pedaling faster on the climbout   :neener:

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #91 on: April 24, 2013, 09:33:48 AM »
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #92 on: April 24, 2013, 12:28:18 PM »
Nobody is claiming that the K-4 is as easy as the Spit XVI.  What we are pointing out is that, contrary to how the K-4 fans talk about it, the K-4 is actually well on the easier side of the bell curve.  With just an idea of how it is supposed to be used a player becomes nigh untouchable to a whole range of aircraft and while he may have trouble getting kills at first, he won't be dying as much either.  Not dying is key to getting better because the time spent getting to a fight doesn't help build skills at all and if you die in the first 20 seconds after engaging, well, there is a lot of not building skills going on.  Contrast that to, say, a P-40E or Ki-61.  Those fighters can be quite successful, but a new player isn't really going to build the required skills in them unless he is very dedicated because they don't offer much in the way of survival tools.

If a P-40C is a 1 on the difficulty scale and a Spitfire Mk XVI is an 10, then the Bf109K-4 is probably a 7 or 8.  Yes, harder than the Spitfire, but easier than average by a significant margin.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #93 on: April 24, 2013, 02:07:00 PM »
Fine but ENY stays the same
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #94 on: April 24, 2013, 02:15:08 PM »
Fine but ENY stays the same
Either the Bf109K-4's ENY is way out of whack or the Ta152H-1, P-47M and Spitfire Mk XIV's ENY is way out of whack.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #95 on: April 24, 2013, 02:31:29 PM »
Either the Bf109K-4's ENY is way out of whack or the Ta152H-1, P-47M and Spitfire Mk XIV's ENY is way out of whack.

I agree with all but the P-47M... MAYBE 15... but it's a pretty easy to use plane, especially when it has WEP left.

Ta-152 should be 20... dunno about the Spit XIV.

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #96 on: April 24, 2013, 02:42:03 PM »
More realistically, the K-4 should be ENY 10 or 12.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2013, 02:47:05 PM »
More realistically, the K-4 should be ENY 10 or 12.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #98 on: April 24, 2013, 02:52:55 PM »
More realistically, the K-4 should be ENY 10 or 12.

How do you feel about the Ki-84 being 20 ENY?

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #99 on: April 24, 2013, 02:56:58 PM »
How do you feel about the Ki-84 being 20 ENY?


Probably more a ENY 15 ride, maybe 20. Compare it to the Bf109F-4 and it isn't too different, rolls better, better firepower and better cockpit visibility.  Speed and climb are very similar.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #100 on: April 24, 2013, 03:02:27 PM »
As previously discussed in other threads and wishlists... To get an actual ENY value that is truly equal, all need to be on the same playing field.  This would include updating ENY for each aircraft, relative to the ordnance loadouts that are being carried.   

Example:  A P51 with 2x1000 lbs, 6 rockets, and full ammo load of 6x50s has much more destructive power than just a P51 with 6x50s. 

In the current ENY system, every P51 that leaves the hangar, regardless of what is carried, is rated based off of the full ordnance loadout.

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #101 on: April 24, 2013, 03:08:28 PM »
As previously discussed in other threads and wishlists... To get an actual ENY value that is truly equal, all need to be on the same playing field.  This would include updating ENY for each aircraft, relative to the ordnance loadouts that are being carried.   

Example:  A P51 with 2x1000 lbs, 6 rockets, and full ammo load of 6x50s has much more destructive power than just a P51 with 6x50s. 

In the current ENY system, every P51 that leaves the hangar, regardless of what is carried, is rated based off of the full ordnance loadout.
Bullhocky.  Your claim is that if it can't be perfect there is no reason to make it better.  Perfect should not be the enemy of good.
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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #102 on: April 24, 2013, 03:19:06 PM »
Bullhocky.  Your claim is that if it can't be perfect there is no reason to make it better.  Perfect should not be the enemy of good.
Geez man calm down, every post is not an attack on your ideas!   

I have said nothing of the sort.  By all means please improve it... and eventually, hopefully to a point where it takes into account ordnance loadouts.  Any improvement is better than nothing.   :salute

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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #103 on: April 24, 2013, 03:20:42 PM »
Bullhocky.  Your claim is that if it can't be perfect there is no reason to make it better.  Perfect should not be the enemy of good.


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Re: K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage
« Reply #104 on: April 24, 2013, 03:24:33 PM »
That's just because you are lazy and I am pedaling faster on the climbout   :neener:

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