K4 is easy mode vs. K4 is a symbol of courage

[Karnak]

Geez man calm down, every post is not an attack on your ideas!   

I have said nothing of the sort.  By all means please improve it... and eventually, hopefully to a point where it takes into account ordnance loadouts.  Any improvement is better than nothing.   

I am actually not sure that accounting for loadouts would improve it.  In the hands of a numerically superior enemy the P-51D, without ordnance, is still a serious problem.  The same is true for other fast planes that handle high speed well.

[Triton28]

How do you feel about the Ki-84 being 20 ENY?

Ki is better than a 20 ENY.  Finest dogfighter in the game if you ask me.  Which you didn't, but I just told you.  So... there's that.

 

[ACE]

Ki is better than a 20 ENY.  Finest dogfighter in the game if you ask me.  Which you didn't, but I just told you.  So... there's that.

 

I always thought it gave the Spit 16 a pretty good run for its money. 

[Triton28]

I always thought it gave the Spit 16 a pretty good run for its money. 

Agreed.

Makes me wonder who said it was the  "Jap 190".  That gives the impression all it can do is roll and run.   

 

 

[Tank-Ace]

Agreed.

Makes me wonder who said it was the  "Jap 190".  That gives the impression all it can do is roll and run.   

 

 

 

The 190 is actually a very agile aircraft, not so much in the slow speed turns, but at med-high speeds, the controlls are crisp and responsive, and it can turn with the best of them. Additionally, it is a very flexible aircraft (at least in real life, not quite so much here). And have you even seen 190's in a scenario, paricularly an EW or MW one? They tend to do VERY well.


Its the MA play that gives the 190 a bad rap, same with the P-51. Both are actually quite capable dogfighters, but are poorly used, and give a bad impression of themselves IN THE MA.

[Triton28]

The 190 is actually a very agile aircraft, not so much in the slow speed turns, but at med-high speeds, the controlls are crisp and responsive, and it can turn with the best of them. Additionally, it is a very flexible aircraft (at least in real life, not quite so much here). And have you even seen 190's in a scenario, paricularly an EW or MW one? They tend to do VERY well.


Its the MA play that gives the 190 a bad rap, same with the P-51. Both are actually quite capable dogfighters, but are poorly used, and give a bad impression of themselves IN THE MA.

I'm tracking you... and for the record I was just being a silly, petty little man taking a jab at Luft guys.   

I find the A5 to be a very capable plane as long as I don't ask it to do too much... which I often do.   

[tunnelrat]

Agreed.

Makes me wonder who said it was the  "Jap 190".  That gives the impression all it can do is roll and run.   

 

 

I think it's quite a bit closer to the Jap Spixteen (which I have also heard it called) considering the only thing it has in common with the 190 seems to be the radial engine and gun layout... when a 190 is just getting warmed up, the Ki-84 feels like a Typhoon.

[Debrody]

Triton was right somewhere: a 190 vs 190 duel is pretty much the same as a ki84 vs ki84 one. They handle the same near the stall - the main difference is, things just happen slower in the german bird.

[deadstikmac]

i have been in the 84 over the past few months now...

vert like a lala 3500+ ft per min from the deck up to 10k without wep

roll rate is avg or little under par

instant and sustained turn rate are solid

barrelrolls like the Emil at 80-100mph using flaps and throttle

turns inside of spits using slight yo yo pitching and flaps at the right time

can not run from anything flat out but can dive to 450 without braking stuff and still remain in control... i have dove with jugs chasing them down trailing and they were not able to extend until long after we dove and hit the deck and i ran out of intermittent wep usage... 15 minutes later the jug is still 1.5k out and just now getting a chance to pull away.

the Ki84 is prolly the most underestimated plane in the game imho next to the Emil and the macci but then again I'm the village idiot that escaped my village and is running around in ah like a normal person......


edit:
ill fight a group of 190s' and 109s' in the Ki any day any time... bring a friend because I'm bringing my lunch gentlemen and we can make a afternoon of it <S>  3v1 in a Ki is almost unfair for the three of them.

the spit is much easyer to fly and kill in any of them over the 190 109 series second to the spit series would be the Brewster and the zero, the 190 109 series needs a much more solid understanding of bfm/acm to even fly them against opponents where the spit series you need not know anything at all and can get in and kill no bfm acm needed.

[Zacherof]

Ki is loads of fun against odds. Ran into 8 ponyB's. Got 3 of them but those monkeys were alot to handle.

@Karnak, fine fine fine. Make K4 Eny 15, and Ta-152 15, A5 30, And storch 5

[Randy1]

Having read all these replies the simple is answer is win the first merge and make the shot.  Any plane with guns can do that to any other plane given the right advantage of plane, E or pilot or any combination of the three.  No plane has the first merge advantage in all circumstances.  Not the K4, not the Mustang or a KI or any of the P machines.

What happens next if you loose the first merge advantage and or missed the first shot, well, that is when the plane's performance can give more options.  The more useable options the greater chance of winning.  The K4 has good options after the first merge.

Any discussion of a plane's role in winning should be based on a premise of a botched merge and its ability to recover.

Probably way off base on this one but it seems right to me.

[tunnelrat]

Ki is loads of fun against odds. Ran into 8 ponyB's. Got 3 of them but those monkeys were alot to handle.

How many years ago was this?

[Triton28]

I think it's quite a bit closer to the Jap Spixteen (which I have also heard it called) considering the only thing it has in common with the 190 seems to be the radial engine and gun layout... when a 190 is just getting warmed up, the Ki-84 feels like a Typhoon.

I can certainly see that.  Although if Ink gets pissed at the renaming of his bird I want the above post to clearly show it was 80HD's idea.   

The 84 is probably the only plane that makes me say, "Spit 16... pffft."

 

[deadstikmac]

The 84 is probably the only plane that makes me say, "Spit 16... pffft."

 

 

Luv it because it's true!

[RedBull1]

Perk the K4 yo...