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[The Fugitive]

No, I have rarely ever participated in the ground war and have little interest in it in its current configuration but I do believe it is a vital part of the game and it needs improvement.

My comment had nothing to do with your op, it was directed solely at Fugi's comment, but I will comment now that you mention it.

I think there are a couple things you and others with this complaint don't get. The recession has hit harder than is immediately evident. People are still struggling to recover from it and lower player count and the lack of fights is the result. Perhaps the majority of the folks that quit to save a few bucks were the ones who participated in the air war more often. It's nothing more than a coincidence that those who stayed seem to favor things other than dogfighting, but it has Fugi thinking everyone is hiding from him.

Fact: the players that are left simply don't care to play the game the way Fugi wants them to PERIOD It is pure INSANITY to say people play war games to avoid fights. They may not want to play like an ADHD 10 year old on Redbull, just so some vet can get his chits and giggles, but they DO NOT pay 15 bucks a month to be a pacifist.  

Next off, this game has hardly changed in 12 years. those that have played this game and AW or others, most likely spent way more than half of that flying. Maybe they aren't COMPLETELY addicted to the flying aspect any longer.

I knew several guys that have gone through every single aspect of this game extensively until they got bored with them, finally they began running missions in every conceivable way, including NOE raids. Fugi says it's to avoid fights. While technically that is accurate, it's not the whole truth. They were BORED with the same old same old. It became a challenge to see how efficiently they can take bases. It's a cat and mouse game that pisses Fugi off, but it's EXACTLY what he was talking about when he said there are other things to do.

He says there are so many things to do in this game, no one could possibly get bored with it yet if they do anything other than fly fighters to provide him with fights they are losers that must be hiding from his horrifying skills.

So again, all these complaints are simply a matter of some people getting pissed off because others don't play the way they want them to. Even if you can't envision it, is it really that hard to believe that a few game changes could cure this?

Again with the poor reading comprehension! Do you just "cut and paste" quotes and type drivel?

Find me a post I made that says anything about how people SHOULD play. I suggest that many are missing many aspects of the game play experience, but I do TELL anyone they should play a certain way. I REPORT what I see in the game (something you can't understand as you haven't played for years ) and what I see is players running in hordes that are bigger and run more often from ALL sides. What I see is players running from fights at the earliest opportunity. What I see are spawn camps becoming bigger. What i SEE are high alt buffs bailing when you close to with-in icon range.

Maybe we are using the wrong word. Maybe "fighting" is miss leading. Maybe we should use "Combat". NOEs are a non-combative move. They are designed to strike fast and accomplish their mission with the least amount of combat. Hordes do the same thing. They roll in with 3 or 4 times the numbers of planes and bombs needed to totally flatten a field and so no combat is necessary, just bombing of objects that can't fight back. Spawn camping is much the same, your popping enemy tanks before they have a chance to shoot back.... or spot you for that matter. Again avoid the possibility of combat.


And "hiding from my horrifying skills"    Maybe that is why I don't get bored with the game. I will NEVER have horrifying skills at any part of this game.

Todays player has the same goals as the old time players. It is how we all get there that is different. Todays player drops lots of bombs as fast as they can to capture the base as fast as they can to win the war TODAY! Old time players look to play the game. The journey is more important than the end game of "win the war". The combat that ensues to get to the win is what the old timers are looking for. Todays players look to avoid that as it only slows them down.

Again, please note, I am only posting what I SEE. I am NOT telling anyone how to play the game.  

[muzik]

That's like complaining about the local Pro ball team and you don't even watch baseball!  LOL!!!

I'm guessing you meant to say something more like " that's like trying to talk baseball when you don't know baseball," because what you said doesn't make sense. I'm not the one complaining you are. I'm betting that if I came back tomorrow, the game will be little different from when I left it. I have more than enough time playing the game to make an informed decision even if I have to base some of that on what I see in the forum. PLUS... The complaints you keep repeating go all the way back to AW.

The only thing that has changed in the last two years is, it has gotten worst.

You were making that exact statement 2 years ago as well as saying it's been going down hill since what 2003 or 4? If your hallucination was reality, this game would have gone off the cliff by now don't you think! <--Exclamation because I don't really want you to answer.

Like I said, if people want something else, all they have to do is get out of the horde, build their own mission, get off their spawn camp, jump in a bomber, learn to fight in a fighter instead of run.

Seems if they do any of those things, they're still still hiding from you.  

[muzik]

I am NOT telling anyone how to play the game.  

You claim that the majority does everything they can to avoid a fight. Translation: If they aren't providing me with an opportunity to kill them, they must be avoiding combat. Therefore they are doing it all wrong.

[The Fugitive]

You claim that the majority does everything they can to avoid a fight. Translation: If they aren't providing me with an opportunity to kill them, they must be avoiding combat. Therefore they are doing it all wrong.

LOL!!! good try at twisting my words. It's hard to have a intelligent conversation with an idiot. Welcome back to the ignore list!

[Hajo]

When this game was first introduced there were two participating MMOG WWII Sim Games that I can recall.  Air Warrior and War Birds.  HTC decided to
build something better.  Better graphics, more accurate flight models, and generally just improve the genre.  They succeded.  We used to have one arena here.
I like many others from Aces High were always on the hunt for something better.  Some of us left Air Warrior before its' demise because of that.  EA was letting
Air warrior wither on the vine and die.  We came for a more realistic venue, simulation of WWII air combat.  In the early going there was nothing but air combat.
And it was fun!  Great fights generally fueled by combat sim veterans who were looking for the fight.  No relaxed realism, just a more realistic fight amongst aircraft.

Aces High grew and did so fast.  More arenas were added.  More vets came to play.  HTC continuosly improved the game with additions of aircraft etc.  More and
better maps then anything in the genre at that time.  Air Combat and the quality of gameplay increased with the additions of the veterans.

The members of the community have changed.  Less and less of what the vets liked to do, and more and more of the X Box generations point and click first person shooter
style of gameplay.  I am NOT criticizing anyones' style of gameplay.  You pay your 15 dollars you play as you wish.  We (please correct me if I am wrong) had more people participating
when the vets style of gameplay was in vogue.  More air to air fights, less ho'ing and running....just basic white knuckled use what your plane gives you fighting.  I don't know
the official numbers of subscribers to the game, but I do notice when I log on the number is generally down.  Some just moved on from the game.  Quite natural you know.
Some vets with many years doing this genre still are involved but spend fewer and fewer hours playing.  Just to darn hard with little time to find good fights.

Some of us who liked to participate in scenarios stopped dong that (such as myself)  Why?  To many peeing contests, whining etc. Insulting the designers and casting aspersions
on those who take their personal time to design an exciting scenario and trying to balance it (this ain't easy). Just to many immature personalities for my taste.

So......it's not the game.  It's the community.  We've had the same weapons to fight with since early Air Warrior.  What has changed?  Gameplay has changed.  Gameplay is dictated by the Community.
The X-Box generation has won out.  The Old Guard is out.

[Masherbrum]

Bah, more of your jiberish.

No one joined this WAR game to deliberately avoid a fight.    It just turns out that way because the players arent getting the satisfaction they want the way the game is structured.

Most people are not going to play a game day in, day out for a decade and not get bored with it. Ever occur to anyone that maybe the same old meat and potatoes makes some want to puke if they have to eat it one more time?

I'm just dying to hear someone tell me once again that "HTC has been in business for 12 years, I think they know what they are doing!" They made a great game, but like every other business in the world, there has to be a little change now and then.

The path of least resistance is a natural tendency. An aversion to flying or "fighting" if that is the case, is statistically inevitable as long as the rules of the game allow it. Change the rules, change the game.

Unlike most who post on here.   Fugi at least walks the walk.   I have lost count of the "I hate hordes",  "you get another plane" and "I play for the fights" types who routinely post that drivel in here only to do exactly the opposite in game.   But why you are trolling this forum when you do not even play, is really pointless.   You do not know how the game play currently is.   But hey, you know it all and do not even play.

[Lusche]

Even if everything would be exactly the same way it was "back then", you would still have a lot of 'vets' saying "it's just not the same anymore..."

[Bruv119]

it is pretty sad when there are more heated purse fights on the forum than on ch 200. 

[The Fugitive]

Even if everything would be exactly the same way it was "back then", you would still have a lot of 'vets' saying "it's just not the same anymore..."

I see what your saying Lusche... rose colored glasses and all that, but I disagree.

In the old days....

• There were HOs, 1 in 20 merges maybe, NOW 19 in 20 merges.
• There were hordes, planned out and announced in advanced on the BBS, NOW 75% of the missions launched.
• There were runners, again 1-20, but there weren't as many different plane types so it was a more even play field, Now 60% run in the fastest bird with the biggest guns.

it is pretty sad when there are more heated purse fights on the forum than on ch 200. 

Even this is true. While in the old days we had "trash talking" it was a much more "civilized" than what we have today. There were always those who challenged and taunted other players, but we didn't have as much name calling and foulness as we do today.

As Hajo said, it is the "xbox" gamers who have taken over. In xbox, playstation and all those other game systems most games have an end game. Whether it is a first person shooter, Role play, what ever, there is an end game. If there wasn't no one would need to buy new games! Those types of players now play this game and the end game is win the war. Once they have done that a bunch of times they look to move on to a new game, just as they have been trained to by the game companies.

Old timers play the game for the sake of the game, NOT the end game. The next fight will almost always be different, the next base grab CAN be different everytime depending on "how" you go about the capture/defense. Each GV battle could be sooooooo much move if everyone moved away from the camps. Thats the difference in play styles.

As mentioned, it's there $15 they can play how ever they want. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I missed those days when there were more like minded players on.   

[Lusche]

I see what your saying Lusche... rose colored glasses and all that, but I disagree.

More "like that" than 'rose colored glasses' this time

[Karnak]

I recall a who lot more than one HO in twenty merges.  I recall many players who specialized in HOs using the F4U-1C and Typhoon.

I do agree the hordes have gotten worse and that running is slightly more common, but I think that has to do with the rise of the speed demon P-51D to dominance instead the fighter Spitfire Mk IX that lead the kills for the first years.

[FTJR]

Two nights ago, Friday my time, we had about 20 people furballing off each others  field, people rarely got above 10k and I at least didn't see anyone ho'ing and there was only friendly sparing on 200.
It was really enjoyable. This lasted about 30 mins, then the CV arrived, and the dream was over.

[Zacherof]

I don't fully recall the discussion I had, but it wasn't just the langauge barrier with japan.something also about the plane along with other things. 

And btw you crazy arse vets, if you sees me on, pm me and I'll gladly give you a fight. Tbm vs pony, sure spit on spit, just as well

[Blammo]

In the old days....

  Players used to have to use a hand crank generator and give a pint of blood each time they wanted to play AH for 30 minutes.  But, dawg-gonnit, everything was perfection!  We always fun, people always played well together and no one ever did anything anyone else didn't approve of!

Seriously, this discussion dates back to before I ever registered on the forum.  Which means, nothing has changed!

[R 105]

I guess you really DO have to spell it out. If they are looking for something different they aren't looking very hard. I can always find something to do in this game.

I didn't say half of R105 squad came back, I was talking over all. Who knows, R105 might have been in a squad of 5 guys. Ya lets base your assumptions on that!

I haven't played WoT, but I have watched a few videos. All I've seen is everyone run strait at each other and just blast away.... COD in armor... THRILLING! 

That's like complaining about the local Pro ball team and you don't even watch baseball!  LOL!!! The only thing that has changed in the last two years is, it has gotten worst. Hordes are bigger and more often, more and more people run away from fights and only engage when there is no danger to their plane/tank.

Tonight, I had a 190D jump my pony from a 4k perch. We went through a couple of passes and 2 262's joined the fight making it 3 on me. A couple passes by each and a Tempest joined in and I spotted a 109 4k out. By now I am on top the 190 and even being 4 on me whats he do.... runs to the ack LOL!!

Like I said, if people want something else, all they have to do is get out of the horde, build their own mission, get off their spawn camp, jump in a bomber, learn to fight in a fighter instead of run. You might find yourself enjoying this great game again.... oh wait, you don't play.

 I was in a big squad (SOAR) and at one time we had 25 or more guys. About 11 went to WoT and never came back. Two died and most the rest I lost contact with and are not on AH anymore.