One determined dog...

[SilverZ06]

You're so far from reality. Its not the breed, its the breeder and how they are raised.
My pit was an extremely violent monster when I rescued him from the animal shelter. Why? Because the moron who owned him had him CHAINED up in the yard. He was raised up to be aggressive. Hell, it took me 3 days to even get near him alone. Now, well, he is the best and most loving animal I have ever seen. Dogs are no different than we are. They know and act how they are taught to. And you'll eventually get the occasional inbred retard.

Now before you go throwing worthless BS stats around. Make sure you add the ones that show the ones that are inbred and how they were raised.

Um dogs are very different from humans. Just because your dog has not attacked you (yet), doesn't mean there is not a problem with the breed. As I've said before, There have been crappy dog owners since the beginning of time however look at the stats. Pitbulls lead the way in mauling and killings by a significant margin. The facts are in front of your face. You owners just choose to ignore them.

[BiPoLaR]

Um dogs are very different from humans. Just because your dog has not attacked you (yet), doesn't mean there is not a problem with the breed. As I've said before, There have been crappy dog owners since the beginning of time however look at the stats. Pitbulls lead the way in mauling and killings by a significant margin. The facts are in front of your face. You owners just choose to ignore them.

There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.

[sntslilhlpr6601]

i think issues like this are a great argument for why humans should not mess with nature.

I mean, sure, there's dogs out there that were bred for the right reasons. To work. And these dogs do their jobs very well. They are, in my opinion, the real reason why we call them "man's best friend". They are a tool that helps us survive as a species.

But then you have everything else. Freaks of nature if you ask me. Even the normal looking ones have health issues. But I guess that's why I'm a cat person. Cat breeds haven't been messed with by humans long enough for the freak show yet (well, mostly). I guess that's why most of them want to take over the world. 

[Zacherof]

Ere are people who breed cats with a gene that's gives them
short front legs. Bu I think the breeders are the freaks

[RedBull1]

I haven't wasted the time in reading this entire 5-6 page flame-fest, however while I mostly/usually agree with the 'it's how the owner treats the dog' argument ... it's not totally true.

My neighbor's owned a pitbull for about 2 years. They treated the dog great, always played with it, and it was kind towards them and protective, however anytime I went near it or them, it would run up and start biting me and jumping up on me. Went home with some blood and scratches more than once

Personally I don't like nor do I dislike pitbull's.. But more often than not when I see one it's growling at me for no reason, so I prefer to stay away from them

[SilverZ06]

I haven't wasted the time in reading this entire 5-6 page flame-fest, however while I mostly/usually agree with the 'it's how the owner treats the dog' argument ... it's not totally true.

My neighbor's owned a pitbull for about 2 years. They treated the dog great, always played with it, and it was kind towards them and protective, however anytime I went near it or them, it would run up and start biting me and jumping up on me. Went home with some blood and scratches more than once

Personally I don't like nor do I dislike pitbull's.. But more often than not when I see one it's growling at me for no reason, so I prefer to stay away from them

Quit being a puss, those are maulings of love.   

[MiloMorai]

Redbull, growing up we had a Beagle-Collie mix. The friendlyist dog you every met but would not let one of my friends in the door. This was the only person she had an issue with, she even liked the mailman.

How did the pitbull get along with the other neighbors?

[RTR]

There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.

Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.

I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?

The kids would have a ball I say!

RTR

[MarineUS]

You're probably right, Just because you've never seen one attack obviously must mean it never happens. I mean your cousins Jimbo and Bobby-Joe raise them and those dogs would never harm a flea. I'm sure all those 30year long studies are all made up by those damn breedist! (Breedist is my new made up word for a dog breed racist).  

I never - EVER - said they DON'T attack. EVERY breed has had attacks. Even poodles.

I'd like you to quote it. Or are you simply trying to pull a liberal argument and call names and use falsified straw mans?

[MarineUS]

Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.

I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?

The kids would have a ball I say!

RTR

Sharks don't have a problem with people....until they are hungry.

Your logic...there is none.

[Motherland]

Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.

I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?

The kids would have a ball I say!

RTR

Not for great whites, because great whites can't be kept in captivity (there's some kind of sonar system that gets messed up and the sharks won't eat), but with other species of sharks they do

[Zacherof]

Sharks don't have a problem with people....until they are hungry.

Your logic...there is none.

sharks generally dislike human flesh. Great whites specifacally hunt seals cause they want the fat. Humans have less fat on them compared to pinnipeds.

Unless the sharks comes across americans 
then it wod be ablood bath

[RTR]

Not for great whites, because great whites can't be kept in captivity (there's some kind of sonar system that gets messed up and the sharks won't eat), but with other species of sharks they do

There is over 300 different species of shark, which species are the kids swimming with?

I'll give you a hint...it isn't Tigers, Bulls, Whites, Mako's, Hammerheads etc etc etc.

The point I was trying to make was that you can not train all living things to do something that is against their nature.

Dogs for example....different breeds have different temperaments. Some are affable and gentle in nature, other types are aggressive and fiercely loyal in nature. None of them though, have a sense of right and wrong. This just doesn't exist to them. All they have is experience to figure out which actions they do create what consequences.

I guess in some ways dogs are smarter than most humans. Get a dog drunk and he will probably abstain from drinking ever again. Get Me drunk and ...welll..even after suffering the hangover I will likely repeat the process again at some point.

Pit Bulls and their derivatives instill no trust in me due to their nature. They are fiercely loyal to a fault, which means that they will aggressively protect the pack ( and you and your family are their pack). The problem I see with that is that they seem to have no degree of measure and what you or I don't see as a threat, they often do. I would rather have control over when any dog uses aggression. There has been to much controversy and messed up incidents with these kinds of dogs for me to put any trust in them. I think that they have more potential to snap than any other breed and when they do it is often devastating.

RTR

[MarineUS]

sharks generally dislike human flesh. Great whites specifacally hunt seals cause they want the fat. Humans have less fat on them compared to pinnipeds.

Unless the sharks comes across americans 
then it wod be ablood bath

I laughed harder than I should have at that. xD   

[Scherf]

There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.

No, if it's your position that the owners are to blame, it's down to you to provide stats to back it up, not him.