For MrRipley

[gyrene81]

once again, Ripley swallows the media b.s. hook, line and sinker. win8 may get improved to something besides being another overly hyped operating system with the next release but as of right now, there is nothing about it for any desktop computer user with an inkling of understanding to switch from win7.

[Skuzzy]

You have admitted tweaking your Win7 setup extensively and now you compare it to vanilla Win8  

It does not matter if an end user can make this or that happen, it's NOT happening to any vanilla Win7 user and will not happen without huge research and years of your kind of experience. You're totally comparing apples to oranges. The fact that Win8 performs in many ways as good as your extensively tweaked Win7 box speaks volumes on how good out of the box experience it provides!

You're losing your credibility there, nothing else.

About the file copy...

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This along native ability to mount .iso and .vhd images show significant improvements over Win7.

So when you say Windows 8 is faster and better, than what are you comparing it to?  Those are relative comparisons.  I assumed it was Windows 7.  

My point was that Windows 8 is not anything special if you can take a previous version of the operating system and have it be faster and leaner than Windows 8, without resorting to losing features.

You claim mounting an .iso/.vhd is a significant improvement, yet Windows 8 cannot play a DVD.  Your previous response to that made that no big deal.  Why is it is "significant improvement"?  What does it actually accomplish for most people?


Files copies at the speed of the hard drive are as fast as they will get.  Changing the dialog box to group it really does not do anything for the performance once you hit the hard drive speed limit.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

So when you say Windows 8 is faster and better, than what are you comparing it to?  Those are relative comparisons.  I assumed it was Windows 7.  

My point was that Windows 8 is not anything special if you can take a previous version of the operating system and have it be faster and leaner than Windows 8, without resorting to losing features.

You claim mounting an .iso/.vhd is a significant improvement, yet Windows 8 cannot play a DVD.  Your previous response to that made that no big deal.  Why is it is "significant improvement"?  What does it actually accomplish for most people?

Vanilla Win8 is faster in many operations (not all) and has more features than vanilla Win7. This is an undisputable fact, verified by several independent benchmarkers online. Also I severely doubt your claim on Win7 booting as fast as a properly configured Win8 with secure boot.

Whatever features are lost in Win8 are another discussion. I haven't found missing features so far in Win8 that I would have missed, except the start menu. After I discovered the right click menu I stoped missing the start menu, too.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

once again, Ripley swallows the media b.s. hook, line and sinker. win8 may get improved to something besides being another overly hyped operating system with the next release but as of right now, there is nothing about it for any desktop computer user with an inkling of understanding to switch from win7.

Once again you're generalizing and probably speaking with no experience on the subject. I have used Win8 since the beta and have had no problems with it. Quite the contrary my user experience has been very positive right from the beta.

Nobody is advising anyone to switch away from Win7, I'm saying that if a new computer comes with Win8 or someone plans to buy Win8 there's no reason for all the drama you guys are spewing.

[Skuzzy]

Vanilla Win8 is faster in many operations (not all) and has more features than vanilla Win7. This is an undisputable fact.

Whatever features are lost in Win8 are another discussion. I haven't found missing features so far in Win8 that I would have missed, except the start menu. After I discovered the right click menu I stoped missing the start menu, too.

I have yet to find anything Windows 8 is faster at.  Care to give me an example?  I will be happy to test it.  Just keep in mind, I am going to use my system to test with.  You claim it is not apples to apples.  What I have tweaked in my system does absolutely nothing to alter the functionality of the operating system.  You are not privy to the exact details, which makes you unqualified to make a determination as to how my system compares to a stock Windows 7 system or to a Windows 8 system.

For the record, all I did was exactly what Microsoft did to Windows 8.


I have never said Windows 8 does not have more features than Windows 7.  For example, Windows 8 allows Microsoft to control what you have installed on your computer.  Windows 7 does not.  Windows 8 does drop some features as well.

As an example, do you like the default "Control Panel" layout of Windows 8?  If you do than you will not miss the fact you cannot have Windows 8 remember the setting you chose for it.  That same thing plays out all over the place in Windows 8.


EDIT:  I really do not care if you doubt how fast my system boots.  It does not make it untrue.  When I first installed Windows 8, I was so disappointed at how slow it booted compared to my old Windows XP box.  My Windows 7 box is slightly slower than my old XP box, but palatable at 8-9 seconds (measured from the time the BIOS init is done to the time I get the login prompt).

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I have yet to find anything Windows 8 is faster at.  Care to give me an example?  I will be happy to test it.  Just keep in mind, I am going to use my system to test with.  You claim it is not apples to apples.  What I have tweaked in my system does absolutely nothing to alter the functionality of the operating system.  You are not privy to the exact details, which makes you unqualified to make a determination as to how my system compares to a stock Windows 7 system or to a Windows 8 system.

For the record, all I did was exactly what Microsoft did to Windows 8.

So essentially you're saying any consumer can now go and buy the ready tweaked version of windows out of the box. How are you not seeing how you're your own counter argument?

Here is a Win8 speed comparison to Win7: http://usabilitygeek.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-speed-and-performance-testing/

At the end we concluded that Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 in some aspects such as startup time, shut down time, wake up from sleep, multimedia performance, web browsers performance, transferring large file and Microsoft excel performance but it is slower in 3D graphic performance and high resolution gaming performance. Battery life improved enough to be noticeable. Moreover Windows 8 is significantly more secure than Windows 7 and it is basically designed to take advantage of touch screens while Windows 7 is only for desktops.

The gaming performance is driver related, some benchmarks have got opposite results there.

I have never said Windows 8 does not have more features than Windows 7.  For example, Windows 8 allows Microsoft to control what you have installed on your computer.  Windows 7 does not.  Windows 8 does drop some features as well.

As an example, do you like the default "Control Panel" layout of Windows 8?  If you do than you will not miss the fact you cannot have Windows 8 remember the setting you chose for it.  That same thing plays out all over the place in Windows 8.

I don't care for the layout of the control panel. First of all I very rarely have to use it and second the desktop search makes finding things extremely easy in Win8. As what goes for 'control what you have installed' it only affects Metro applications in the same way as Apple controls whatever can exist in Apple store and can pull malicious apps if need be. Microsoft has the full ability to remove any file from your computer as it is, if they chose to include that kind of a 'feature' to some patch for example

EDIT:  I really do not care if you doubt how fast my system boots.  It does not make it untrue.  When I first installed Windows 8, I was so disappointed at how slow it booted compared to my old Windows XP box.  My Windows 7 box is slightly slower than my old XP box, but palatable at 8-9 seconds.

And yet for anyone using a regular non-tweaked Win7 it takes 20-50 seconds to boot to desktop. Others do not have the privilege of having your tweaked version, they have to get it in the form of Win8.

I have to wonder - would you accept Win8 better if they called it Win7.1 instead? Because that's pretty much what it is - a tweaked version of Win7.

[gyrene81]

Once again you're generalizing and probably speaking with no experience on the subject. I have used Win8 since the beta and have had no problems with it. Quite the contrary my user experience has been very positive right from the beta.

no, i'm not generalizing in any manner, you happen to swallow (with some amount of pride) every piece of propaganda b.s. you read. i tested win8 in alpha and beta, nothing about it was even satisfactory. maybe it's because i was looking for problems, something i do daily in my career, and i wasn't disappointed in my search. it wasn't as bad a vista or me, but there is/was nothing positive enough to compel me to use it until i'm forced to.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

no, i'm not generalizing in any manner, you happen to swallow (with some amount of pride) every piece of propaganda b.s. you read. i tested win8 in alpha and beta, nothing about it was even satisfactory. maybe it's because i was looking for problems, something i do daily in my career, and i wasn't disappointed in my search. it wasn't as bad a vista or me, but there is/was nothing positive enough to compel me to use it until i'm forced to.

So I'm sure you'll now list the show-stopper problems that you found in Win8 and which make it bad for any general consumer. Or is your argumentation on the level 'I found problems and Win8 is bad' but it just kinda stops there...

[gyrene81]

So I'm sure you'll now list the show-stopper problems that you found in Win8 and which make it bad for any general consumer. Or is your argumentation on the level 'I found problems and Win8 is bad' but it just kinda stops there...

why would i waste my time trying to show you something when you have your eyes closed and lack a deep enough understanding to comprehend what i would point out? we been round this table before Ripley, the scenery hasn't changed and until you open your eyes, it won't...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

why would i waste my time trying to show you something when you have your eyes closed and lack a deep enough understanding to comprehend what i would point out? we been round this table before Ripley, the scenery hasn't changed and until you open your eyes, it won't...

Hahaha I knew you couldn't provide even a single one. Case closed.

[gyrene81]

Hahaha I knew you couldn't provide even a single one. Case closed.

uh huh...how short your memory is. the case is only closed in your mind, but then that was the case before anyone said anything contradictory...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

uh huh...how short your memory is. the case is only closed in your mind, but then that was the case before anyone said anything contradictory...

And yet the single example is missing.

I'll make it easyer for you. Don't think you're adressing the answer to me, but to the general public. Surely there are people there smart enough to understand your show-stopper reasoning.

Waiting...

[guncrasher]

mrripley, i am by far not the most technical person here.  but you forget the annoying factor is what is making win8 dead wood right now.  like it or not, it's was a far fetched idea that most people hate.  win8 is being blamed for lower computer sells in the oem market.  in custom build systems they are a bit up as they will give you the option of win7 or win8.


semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

mrripley, i am by far not the most technical person here.  but you forget the annoying factor is what is making win8 dead wood right now.  like it or not, it's was a far fetched idea that most people hate.  win8 is being blamed for lower computer sells in the oem market.  in custom build systems they are a bit up as they will give you the option of win7 or win8.


semp

It is blamed for that but with no proof over it. The market is in recession and desktops are losing ground to mobile devices rapidly. The same consumers who would have bought a boxed OEM el-cheapo machines are now buying tablets. Win8 has sold over 100 million copies in the first 6 months which coincidentally matches the amount of Windows7 licenses sold in the first 6 months. So was Windows7 a horrible mistake due to low sales?

[Skuzzy]

So essentially you're saying any consumer can now go and buy the ready tweaked version of windows out of the box. How are you not seeing how you're your own counter argument?

Here is a Win8 speed comparison to Win7: http://usabilitygeek.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-speed-and-performance-testing/

The gaming performance is driver related, some benchmarks have got opposite results there.

I don't care for the layout of the control panel. First of all I very rarely have to use it and second the desktop search makes finding things extremely easy in Win8. As what goes for 'control what you have installed' it only affects Metro applications in the same way as Apple controls whatever can exist in Apple store and can pull malicious apps if need be. Microsoft has the full ability to remove any file from your computer as it is, if they chose to include that kind of a 'feature' to some patch for example

And yet for anyone using a regular non-tweaked Win7 it takes 20-50 seconds to boot to desktop. Others do not have the privilege of having your tweaked version, they have to get it in the form of Win8.

I have to wonder - would you accept Win8 better if they called it Win7.1 instead? Because that's pretty much what it is - a tweaked version of Win7.

I cannot help that you do not get the point I was trying to make, and I am passed the point of trying to get you to understand it.

By the way, the same video card drivers run on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.



Microsoft has pretty much stated they are going to get rid of Windows 8.  That is was a mistake.  The user interface was not appropriate for a desk top.  End of story.

What Microsoft has claimed, is what I have been saying all along.