For MrRipley

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Actually you are off there.  Microsoft had two desktop operating system development teams and one mobile operating system team.  After the release of Windows 7, the teams were combined.

Windows NT, Windows 2000, and Windows Vista were from one team.  Windows 95/98, Windows XP, and Windows 7 was from another team.  They were completely different development branches.

Windows 8 is from the combined teams.


You need to quit being so obtuse.  When people talk about Microsoft "killing" Windows 8, they are making reference to the pathetic user interface, which has defined Windows 8.  The cheap shots you keep trying to take are getting tiresome and do not provide anything useful.

I'm sorry they're not cheap shots. It's not my problem if people can't tell the difference between a user interface and the rest of the OS. The UI is only a mild annoyance and could be worked with. After the first couple of days I was completely fine with it even though initially it seemed irritating.

Many people here, you included, have made wild claims of Win8 being 'unusable' and 'problematic' and 'technologically flawed' and I've argued that it's none of that. It's a tweaked Windows 7 with a different user interface and it's a perfectly usable product.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

And yet you are probably running windows 8 on a SSD and windows 7 on a normal HDD that is so fragmented the read head might fly off! (hyperbole). My windows 7 on HDD boots in under 20 seconds with a i5 2500k at 5.2 ghz.
If you are not willing to tweak some settings you are doing PC gaming wrong sir.

I ran the Windows 8 beta on a 5200rpm drive that was ripped off from an old laptop. It booted to desktop a little faster using that than the main Win7 installation in the same computer which was on a 7200rpm desktop drive. Windows drives do not get fragmented due to the scheduled defrags that happen automatically (unless you disable them naturally). Occasionally when I run antivirus sweeps on my computers I also defrag them using the auslogics defrag. Most of the time the drives are little to none fragmented. Of course since I use the gaming machines only for games and nothing else they don't get all sorts of crap written to them all the time.

When Windows8 is installed in fast boot configuration with UEFI GOP it speeds up the boot process significantly more.

[Skuzzy]

I'm sorry they're not cheap shots. It's not my problem if people can't tell the difference between a user interface and the rest of the OS. The UI is only a mild annoyance and could be worked with. After the first couple of days I was completely fine with it even though initially it seemed irritating.

Many people here, you included, have made wild claims of Win8 being 'unusable' and 'problematic' and 'technologically flawed' and I've argued that it's none of that. It's a tweaked Windows 7 with a different user interface and it's a perfectly usable product.

I have not made any "wild claims".

If you cannot post without taking those cheap shots at the community, which are absolutely useless, then you need to stop posting. Everyone has an opinion about Windows 8.  Yours is no better than mine, and vice-versa.

One fact you have refused to accept is that the Windows 8 user interface, for the desktop, is very inefficient and was a mistake.  Microsoft has admitted it.  Apple agrees.  Yet you still laud it as being a perfectly fine interface.  You are in the minority with that opinion.  Accept it and move along as it is not doing anyone any favors by belaboring it.

You talked of my credibility being at issue earlier.  Your posting style is wrecking your credibility.  No one posting with the amount of arrogance you display will be taken seriously.  If that is your goal, then you have laid a firm foundation for it.  However, it is not a foundation that will stand long on this bulletin board.  That is just some friendly advice.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I have not made any "wild claims".

If you cannot post without taking those cheap shots at the community, which are absolutely useless, then you need to stop posting. Everyone has an opinion about Windows 8.  Yours is no better than mine, and vice-versa.

One fact you have refused to accept is that the Windows 8 user interface, for the desktop, is very inefficient and was a mistake.  Microsoft has admitted it.  Apple agrees.  Yet you still laud it as being a perfectly fine interface.  You are in the minority with that opinion.  Accept it and move along as it is not doing anyone any favors by belaboring it.

You talked of my credibility being at issue earlier.  Your posting style is wrecking your credibility.  No one posting with the amount of arrogance you display will be taken seriously.  If that is your goal, then you have laid a firm foundation for it.  However, it is not a foundation that will stand long on this bulletin board.  That is just some friendly advice.

There are currently millions of users who daily and successfully use Windows8 as their main operating system. They're not horrified or in dispair. They're working, playing games, creating etc. every day using it. Your claims about it's slowness for example are without any proof - I at least posted benchmarks from an independent reviewer which proved my point to be true. I mean if you can show me hard fact - benchmarks proving Win8 truly boots as slow as Win7 and works as slow as Win7 I'm not going to argue with that. So far I'm the only one posting benchmarks - am I also the only one READING them?

Now I don't see how I could be the bad guy when all the facts are there for anyone to see. I don't deny that the big public has been annoyed with the user interface, I was originally annoyed with it too. But all the drama and bad press that has been released have created this situation. Also MS handled the UI change very badly by not including any tips or walkthrough in the initial installations.

I have done nothing else but oppose the view that Windows 8 would be bad and unusable. Clearly it's not. I've been using it successfully along with literally millions of other people. This subject can be now buried as far as I'm concerned.

[Skuzzy]

I do not do "benchmarks".  Synthetic benchmarks can be construed to provide whatever anyone wants to provide.  I have written commercial benchmarks.  I have a good feel for what they can and cannot tell you.  I think real world use is a better measure.

I have no problem with you, or anyone else, making the choice to not believe me.  Once anyone gets into that mode, there is little that can be done to sway them.  Post a video?  That could be altered.  Post some data?  That could be altered.  So why bother?  Post a link to a WEB site which depends on ad revenue to stay in business?  Sure.

Those who know me, know I would never compromise fact in order to win a chest thumping contest.

Your statements about how many are happy with Windows 8 is an opinion.  You are one of the few people I know who like Windows 8 on the desktop.  I have friends inside of Microsoft who hate it, for the desktop.

Microsoft would not be admitting it has to change the interface, if what you claim is true.  Hopefully we will get the desktop that should have been in the first place.  Once that really works well for mobile and desktop.  That is my opinion.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I do not do "benchmarks".  Synthetic benchmarks can be construed to provide whatever anyone wants to provide.  I have written commercial benchmarks.  I have a good feel for what they can and cannot tell you.  I think real world use is a better measure.

I have no problem with you, or anyone else, making the choice to not believe me.  Once anyone gets into that mode, there is little that can be done to sway them.  Post a video?  That could be altered.  Post some data?  That could be altered.  So why bother?  Post a link to a WEB site which depends on ad revenue to stay in business?  Sure.

Those who know me, know I would never compromise fact in order to win a chest thumping contest.

Your statements about how many are happy with Windows 8 is an opinion.  You are one of the few people I know who like Windows 8 on the desktop.  I have friends inside of Microsoft who hate it, for the desktop.

Microsoft would not be admitting it has to change the interface, if what you claim is true.  Hopefully we will get the desktop that should have been in the first place.  Once that really works well for mobile and desktop.  That is my opinion.

I never said I "like" the modern UI either. I'm just saying it can be lived with and it's not the disaster many are painting it to be. I too prefer the old UI, in fact I would prefer the XP way of doing things the most. IMO Vista and Win7 were already steps in the wrong direction. That doesn't stop me from using them successfully however.

I have configured my Xubuntu desktop to look and feel almost completely like XP (with minor improvements though).

[olds442]

5.2 GHz?  Damn I'm still at 2.9. What temps do you get with that?

I got a after market cooler. Also stock clock for I5 2500K is 3.2 ghz not sure why you are only at 2.9
In intelburn test i get 82*C max. BF3 I get 59*C on air.

[ACE]

I have a different CPU than you.  Is there a need for that much over clock lol. 

[olds442]

Folding and or future proofing.

[dhaus]

All the drama and bad press release created this situation?  No, Microsoft created this situation.  They have a miserable UI that doesn't work well with desktops.  People don't have time to tweak it and find work arounds that make it work like win7.  They might as well get win7 to start with.  No wonder desktop sales are down since 8 hit the shelves. 

[MrRiplEy[H]]

All the drama and bad press release created this situation?  No, Microsoft created this situation.  They have a miserable UI that doesn't work well with desktops.  People don't have time to tweak it and find work arounds that make it work like win7.  They might as well get win7 to start with.  No wonder desktop sales are down since 8 hit the shelves. 

No, all the drama and bad press have lead to people having reservations before even trying Win8. When I tried the beta I had no expectations whatsoever and I found Win8 perfectly usable even though I was slightly annoyed on how much the UI changed and having to relearn things. Also the lack of instructions was surprising - but Google fixed that easily.

[Debrody]

A friend of mine tryed the win8 on his laptop - he liked it, but honestly, i could get used to an other friend's IOS sooner than to that.
If you like it, fine, use it, have fun, but 5 pages of argument over over this, a personal preference... come on lads.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

A friend of mine tryed the win8 on his laptop - he liked it, but honestly, i could get used to an other friend's IOS sooner than to that.
If you like it, fine, use it, have fun, but 5 pages of argument over over this, a personal preference... come on lads.

It all boils down to what I call 'the computer equivalent of Aspergers syndrome'. Some people just lose their marbles if the menu isn't exactly where it used to be and the blue e mark the internet

[Debrody]

How it comes? I could get fammiliar to the IOS Lion soon enough, even though thats completely different from what im using - the win7. Thats because i have found the IOS's interface to be more logical than the win8.
The next step might be you coming at me with me being a technical analphabet...
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[MrRiplEy[H]]

How it comes? I could get fammiliar to the IOS Lion soon enough, even though thats completely different from what im using - the win7. Thats because i have found the IOS's interface to be more logical than the win8.
The next step might be you coming at me with me being a technical analphabet...
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You're confusing OSX and iOS. iOS is the mobile OS found in iPads and iPhones, OSX is what's in macs.

I had bigger trouble getting familiar with osx than with Win8. OSX is easy on the surface for windows users but once you start installing stuff or setting user privileges etc. it doesn't follow the familiar methods. What I like about OSX is how much similar to linux it is on CLI level.