Author Topic: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning  (Read 1677 times)

Offline guncrasher

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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2013, 10:07:40 PM »
my point was obvious...read it again. or do i need to bring out the crayons?

perhaps you should.  the term is not any different than when we say "god grant me strength", "hail mary..", "oh my god" or the "lord is my Shepherd..."

most people think it's said only during a terrorist attack when actually it an expression that is used everyday and it could mean any of the above depending on the context that is used.

sad that misguided idiots use it thinking they are doing god's will.  but then again we have had  the kkk using religion here in the us as a way to commit terror.  idiots will be idiots and they will get their just reward.


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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2013, 10:18:12 PM »
sad that misguided idiots use it thinking they are doing god's will.

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exactly, so why ask me a dumb question?

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The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.

aaaaannnndd...again, that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess. i.e. using it proclaiming they are doing god's will.
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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2013, 10:53:35 PM »

aaaaannnndd...again, that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess. i.e. using it proclaiming they are doing god's will.


so it would  be ok if they werent saying it?  and it doesnt mean god's will.


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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2013, 05:53:44 AM »
I sense a disturbance in the force, I feel the dreaded hand of Skuzzy approaching.


In lieu of this I will say one thing.

We are fighting a war on the basis of religion and ideology. Every example in history states that you should NEVER fight on the grounds of either religion OR ideology... and we are doing both. We being the west and the east.

We may be fighting for power, profit and political muscle in reality (as wars are always fought in civilized society). But on paper and in the minds of the masses, we are fighting against Islamic extremism, who are in turn fighting against anyone who doesn't conform to their ideals. And the ideals of these two groups are so contrary, that coexistence is now impossible.

If the media and indeed the fundamentalists are not stopped, all of Islam and perhaps all of the West's population will be radicalized to their respective ideologies... and then it will simply come down to who kills more of the other. And there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Mecca and Jerusalem and pretty much everywhere will become graveyards, and we, or perhaps our children and grandchildren will become soldiers for their respective beliefs. And the last one standing will win.

^^^ granted this will take a very long time. But it is nevertheless the ultimate outcome.

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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2013, 08:06:43 AM »
so it would  be ok if they werent saying it?  and it doesnt mean god's will.


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Semp, you are the poster boy for the phrase..."can't fix stupid"

i know what allahu akbhar means, never said it meant "god's will", but it is used by radical muslims to claim that their actions are "god's will". and don't even try to argue that down.

you should work on your reading comprehension difficulty...i don't have crayons big enough to dummy things down any further than i have.



We are fighting a war on the basis of religion and ideology. Every example in history states that you should NEVER fight on the grounds of either religion OR ideology... and we are doing both. We being the west and the east.

We may be fighting for power, profit and political muscle in reality (as wars are always fought in civilized society). But on paper and in the minds of the masses, we are fighting against Islamic extremism, who are in turn fighting against anyone who doesn't conform to their ideals. And the ideals of these two groups are so contrary, that coexistence is now impossible.

If the media and indeed the fundamentalists are not stopped, all of Islam and perhaps all of the West's population will be radicalized to their respective ideologies... and then it will simply come down to who kills more of the other. And there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Mecca and Jerusalem and pretty much everywhere will become graveyards, and we, or perhaps our children and grandchildren will become soldiers for their respective beliefs. And the last one standing will win.

^^^ granted this will take a very long time. But it is nevertheless the ultimate outcome.

my 0.02 cents.
the media is just giving them the international stage they desire. there is no stopping the media attention unless we all want to be subjects of socialist regimes. that war you talk about has been going on since the first crusade. if we (western infidels) were allowed by our own countries to take on the radical islamic elements in the same medieval manner they employ without international repercussions, it would be easier to put them down. from my own point of view, if the enemy isn't concerned with "collateral damage" and openly targets innocent people, then extreme measures are called for and justifiable. the time will yet come...
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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2013, 08:43:09 AM »

there is no stopping the media attention unless we all want to be subjects of socialist regimes.
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Unfortunately you describe in this sentence what the US is falling at great speed towards.
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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2013, 08:48:55 AM »
What happened to the good old days where blasphemous words were yelled during the commission of the act?

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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2013, 08:50:48 AM »
   :pray Prayers for those lost in the fight against radicals. It's good to see normal Muslims speaking out against these atrocious acts.    

           Glad the Cops got there IN time to clean up.  :aok
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2013, 11:31:20 AM »
@Plawranc - Well said.


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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2013, 11:53:49 AM »
Semp, you are the poster boy for the phrase..."can't fix stupid"

i know what allahu akbhar means, never said it meant "god's will", but it is used by radical muslims to claim that their actions are "god's will". and don't even try to argue that down.

you should work on your reading comprehension difficulty...i don't have crayons big enough to dummy things down any further than i have.


dude step back and read what you wrote.  it is an everyday expression used by muslims.  it is not a symbol that they are doing god's will.  muslims upon hearing what happened would have said  the same thing but meaning in the same way we would say "oh my god".

and yes you can fix stupid, you just need to listen a little sometimes instead of getting stuck on it.


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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2013, 12:18:08 PM »
Semp, do you actually have that much of a problem with the concept of "context"???

if someone hit you with a car then started chopping you up with a meat cleaver while proclaiming "god is great", do you honestly want to try and say that some dipstick on this planet thinks it has the same meaning as "oh my god"??? or are you that dipstick?

whether you comprehend it or not, the phrase allahu akbhar gets used by extremist muslims as a battlecry that holds the same meaning as "god's will be done", or "destroy the infidels". doesn't matter what it's real meaning is, in the context of muslim extremists what does matter is what it's intended to do for those doing battle with the infidels.

what the two dirt-diggers did should be considered a hate crime, because it was committed against an innocent person based on extremist religious beliefs. their punishment should be as extreme and public as the u.k. is capable of doing. but because they are muslim, and nobody wants to "offend the muslims", the punishment won't fit the crime.
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2013, 12:49:35 PM »
no what part you dont understand that it is a common phrase used by all muslims in everyday living. 


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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2013, 12:54:49 PM »
Lets get one thing straight, they were not Muslims they were dirty criminals. :old:

Its a insult to decent people to bring the religion element in to it, I refuse to accept that these people were religious in any way :old:

What these type of people say or quote is irrelevant to me because i am NOT a criminal :old:

We have had Terrorism in the UK for past 45 years so we in the UK know the difference :old:
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Re: I Perceive There Will Be a Reckoning
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2013, 12:57:28 PM »
no what part you dont understand that it is a common phrase used by all muslims in everyday living.  


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lol, you are either totally lost in never never land or just looking for an argument. either way, don't forget to put your helmet on before you get on the bus...
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2013, 01:01:37 PM »
Lets get one thing straight, they were not Muslims they were dirty criminals. :old:

Its a insult to decent people to bring the religion element in to it, I refuse to accept that these people were religious in any way :old:
so in your line of thinking, anyone who performs a criminal act (particularly one as atrocious as what happened yesterday) while proclaiming "god is great" to anyone who is within hearing distance, has no religious beliefs or affiliations...they're all atheists proclaiming their faith to god.

alrighty then...
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