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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2013, 10:32:55 AM »
Douglas TBD Devastator



Operational History

In the early days of the Pacific war, the TBD acquitted itself well during February and March 1942, with TBDs from Enterprise and Yorktown attacking targets in the Marshall and Gilbert Islands, Wake Island and Marcus Island, while TBDs from Yorktown and Lexington struck Japanese shipping off New Guinea on 10 March.[13] In the Battle of the Coral Sea Devastators helped sink the Shōhō on 7 May, but failed to hit the Shōkaku the next day.[14]

Problems were discovered with the Mark 13 torpedo at this point. Many were seen to hit the target yet fail to explode; there was also a tendency to run deeper than the set depth. It took over a year for the problems to be corrected. These problems were not fixed by the time of the Battle of Midway on 4 June 1942.

At Midway, a total of 41 Devastators, a majority of the type still operational, were launched from Hornet, Enterprise and Yorktown to attack the Japanese fleet.[15] The sorties were not well coordinated, in part because Rear Admiral Raymond A. Spruance ordered a strike on the enemy carriers immediately after they were discovered, rather than spending time assembling a well-coordinated attack involving the different types of aircraft - fighters, bombers, torpedo planes - reasoning that attacking the Japanese would prevent a counterstrike against the US carriers. The TBDs from Hornet and Enterprise lost contact with their fighter escort and started their attacks without fighter protection.[16][17]

The Devastator proved to be a death trap for its crews: slow and scarcely maneuverable, with light defensive weaponry and poor armor relative to the weapons of the time; its speed on a glide-bombing approach was a mere 200 mph (320 km/h), making it easy prey for fighters and defensive guns alike. The aerial torpedo could not even be released at speeds above 115 mph (185 km/h).[18] Torpedo delivery requires a long, straight-line attack run, making the aircraft vulnerable, and the slow speed of the aircraft made them easy targets for the Mitsubishi A6M Zeros. Only four TBDs made it back to Enterprise, none to Hornet and two to Yorktown, without scoring a torpedo hit.[19]

Nonetheless, their sacrifice was not completely in vain, as several TBDs managed to get within a few ship-lengths range of their targets before dropping their torpedoes, being close enough to be able to strafe the enemy ships and force the Japanese carriers to make sharp evasive maneuvers.[20] By obliging the Japanese to keep their flight decks clear to continually cycle and reinforce their combat air patrol, they prevented any Japanese counter-attack against the American carriers, just as Spruance had anticipated. This window of opportunity was exploited by the late-arriving Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bombers led by Lieutenant Commander C. Wade McClusky and Max Leslie, which dive-bombed and fatally damaged three of the four Japanese carriers about one hour after the first TBD torpedo attacks had developed.[21]

The Navy immediately withdrew the TBD from front-line units after Midway; in any case, there were only 39 aircraft left. They remained in service briefly in the Atlantic and in training squadrons until 1944. The original prototype finished its career at NAS Norman, Oklahoma, and the last TBD in the U.S. Navy was used by the Commander of Fleet Air Activities-West Coast. When his TBD was scrapped in November 1944,[22] there were no more.[23] None survived the war and there are none known to exist on dry land today.[24]

In fairness to the Devastator, the newer TBF Avengers were similarly ineffective in 1942, losing five out of six aircraft without scoring a hit at Midway. The Avengers' only successes in 1942 would be against the light carrier Ryūjō and the battleship Hiei [N 3][25] In the initial part of the Pacific War, the poor performances of US torpedo bombers was due to the vulnerability of that type in general against AAA fire and defending fighters, plus the inexperience of American pilots and lack of coordinated fighter cover, as well as serious defects in US torpedoes which were not discovered and corrected until the fall of 1943.[6][15] It took growing American air superiority, improved attack coordination, and more experienced pilots, before the Avengers were able to successfully accomplish their roles in subsequent battles against Japanese surface forces.[26]

After the debacle at Midway, the surviving TBD Devastators in VT-4 and VT-7 remained in service for a short time before being shipped back to the United States where the aircraft were relegated to training duties for pilots and mechanics or were destroyed following use as instructional airframes for fire-fighting training.[27] By late 1944, no TBD Devastators were left in the US Navy inventory.[28]

Performance

    Maximum speed: 206 mph (179 knots, 331 km/h) at 8,000 ft (2,400 m)
    Cruise speed: 128 mph (111 knots, 206 km/h)
    Range: 435 mi (700 km) (378 nmi, 700 km) with Mk XIII Torpedo, 716 mi (623 nmi, 1,152 km) with 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
    Service ceiling: 19,500 ft (5,945 m)
    Rate of climb: 720 ft/min (3.7 m/s)

Armament

    Guns:
        1 × forward-firing 0.30 in (7.62 mm) or 0.50 (12.7 mm) machine gun
        1 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine gun in rear cockpit (later increased to two)
    Bombs:
        1 × Mark XIII torpedo or
        1 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bomb or
        2 × 500 lb (227 kg) bombs or
        12 × 100 lb (45 kg) bombs

^ Air International March 1990, p. 155.
^ Doll 1967, pp. 7–8.
^ a b "USS Enterprise CV-6: The Most Decorated Ship of the Second World War, p. 2." cv6.org. Retrieved: 11 April 2010.
^ Cressman et al. 1990, pp. 84–89.
^ Parshall and Tulley 2005, pp. 206–215.
^ Jackson and Doll 1973, p. 5.
^ Buell 1987, p. 494.
^ "USS Enterprise CV-6: The Most Decorated Ship of the Second World War, p. 3." cv6.org. Retrieved: 7 June 2010.
^ Parshall and Tully 2005, pp. 215–216, 226–227.
^ Ginter 2006, p. 91.
^ Jackson and Doll 1973, p. 43.
^ Champlin, Doug. "Douglas TBD-1." nwrain.net. Retrieved: 11 April 2010.
^ Mondey 2006, p. 152.
^ "'Sinking the Supership'." PBS-Nova. Retrieved: 11 April 2010.
^ Doll 1967, p. 34.
^ Tillman and Lawson 2001, p. 61.

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2013, 10:34:49 AM »
what is wrong with you Arlo? you keep forgetting the french...and the romanians.
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2013, 10:47:26 AM »
Ikarus IK-2



Operational history

Based upon results of preliminary testing, the Royal Yugoslav Air Force ordered a production batch of 12 IK-2 fighters, which were all delivered in 1937. When German forces invaded Yugoslavia on 6 April 1941, the only unit of the Yugoslav Air Force armed with the IK-2 was the 4th fighter regiment, composed of 33rd and 34th air force groups stationed at Bosanski Aleksandrovac airfield, in northwest Bosnia. The 4th fighter regiment was equipped with 18 Hawker Hurricanes and eight Ikarus IK-2 fighter aircraft.

Rovine airfield, situated north of Banja Luka, was the base of the Yugoslav 8th bomber regiment and its 24 Bristol Blenheim I bombers. During a German attack on the base on 7 April, five IK-2s together with five Hawker Hurricanes engaged German Messerschmitt 109 fighter aircraft. In the ensuing dogfight, the Yugoslav fighters managed to repel the 27 attacking German fighters, destroying two in the process at the cost of two Hurricanes and one IK-2 [1]. For the rest of the short conflict IK-2s were used for strafing advancing German columns and on several occasions they scrambled in pursuit of German reconnaissance aircraft, but to no effect. At the end of the brief campaign the four surviving IK-2s were overhauled at the Ikarus aircraft plant in Zemun before being transferred by the Germans to the newly formed Air Force of the Independent State of Croatia.

Performance

    Maximum speed: 435 km/h (270 mph; 235 kn) at 5,000 m (16,404 ft)
    Cruising speed: 250 km/h (155 mph; 135 kn)
    Range: 700 km (435 mi; 378 nmi)
    Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
    Wing loading: 107 kg/m˛ (22 lb/sq ft)

Armament

    1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon with 60 rounds
    2 × 7.92 mm Darne machine guns


http://simviation.com//fsdcbainik2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_IK-2





Mmmmmno ... I'm not updating for this.  :)


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P.S. ... the 4 additional models added to the 14 would significantly add time to this plane list becoming a reality.
But we knew this. ;)

I wonder .... 18 planes. Let's say 2 planes per update and 2 months per update ..... (optimism .... the alter-alternate reality)
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2013, 11:04:55 AM »
Oh .... and if I had my way, the planes would be added in this order:

1: Italian planes
2: Russian planes
3: Japanese planes
4. British planes
5. German planes
6. American planes

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2013, 11:12:28 AM »
aaand again...  :neener:
what is wrong with you Arlo? you keep forgetting the french...and the romanians.[/quote]
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2013, 12:34:10 PM »
aaand again...  :neener:
what is wrong with you Arlo? you keep forgetting the french...and the romanians.


Alas ... the plane chart has no place for either. Unless we divide
up the League of Nations between the Russians and the Germans.

 :D

Aces High and the nationality footprint of its plane sets

                                                                       By Arlo

How big an impact does nationality play in Aces High II? In the MA it's zero (unless someone decides to
argue for the modeling of the A-26 versus the Pe-2 and they let their own national pride stand in the way).
In events it's everything. Events are all about depicting famous battles of WWII with nations being represented
on one side or another. Aces High II currently models 92 aircraft and 17 vehicles (if we count the Elco PT boat).
Those aircraft and vehicles are divided amongst 6 nationalities; The United States, Great Britain (and Commonwealth -
further representing Canada, Australia and New Zealand), Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union. France, Vichy
or otherwise, is not represented (possibly due to only one or two instances in the war where their forces had any
true impact).

So let's take a look at the current footprints.

The U.S. plane and vehicle set

The largest, by far, is the United States. This isn't entirely surprising, given the production capability and advancements
made during the war. Game-wise, the U.S. has 35 aircraft (including variants) comprised of fighters, attack planes and
bombers from every theater of WWII, 8 vehicles and 1 PT boat. This includes the best heavy strategic bomber of the war,
some of the best fighters of the war and even early war planes for events staged in that time frame.

The German plane and vehicle set

The next largest is Germany. Historically, their production was already geared up to high capacity before the United States
entered the war. Game-wise, Germany has 21 aircraft (including variants) comprised of fighters, attack planes and bombers
encompassing all but the Pacific Theater of war. They also have the only jet and rocket aircraft in the game; the Me-262,
the Me-163 and the Ar-234. This isn't anymore surprising than the U.S. production rate, given the focus on research and
development made by Germany in the 30s and 40s. Germany also has the best tanks in the game for the same reason. Like
the U.S., in Aces High II the German plane/vehicle set is robust and well represented.

The British plane and vehicle set

In Aces High II, Great Britain has 17 aircraft (variants included) comprised of fighters, attack planes and bombers from every
theater of the war and, technically, it shares one vehicle with the U.S. (the Firefly variant of the Sherman). Until the B-29 was
added, the Lancaster heavy bomber had the largest payload (it's still the largest unperked payload). With a plane set
that includes almost every variant of the Spitfire that flew as well as multiple variants of the Hurricane and the Tempest and
Typhoon, it can be said, arguably, that the British have some of the best fighter and attack planes in the game. Likewise,
this represents a rather robust plane set.

The Soviet plane and vehicle set

In Aces High II, the Soviet Union has 6 aircraft (one of which is a variant) and 2 vehicles (also one of which is a variant)that
fought, primarily, in the European Theater of operations (though some historical exceptions may be found or believably
portrayed). The aircraft are primarily fighter and fighter-bombers with it's sole 'bomber' being more of a ground attack plane.
While this set has some good fighters in it (and, arguably the best dive bomber/attack plane) it has some gaps to fill. The
reason for this is the same reason I still give the Soviets the third largest footprint in the game - lend lease. If lend lease is
taken into account then P-40, P-39, Hurricane,  Spitfire Mk V, P-40, Spitfire Mk IX, B-25 and Boston can be added, increasing
the aircraft footprint to 14 (and if we take into consideration the M-4 Sherman and the M-16 the vehicle footprint doubles).
The addition of the MiG-3, Yak-3, Pe-2 and Tu-2 would enhance historical events in Aces High.

The Japanese plane set

In Aces High II, the Japanese have 10 aircraft comprised of fighters, fighter-bombers, attack planes and bombers (including
variants) that fought in the Pacific and China-Burma theaters. The early Japanese plane set is fairly well represented, as well
as some of the later fighters. Their two main level bombers are also represented. Japan has no vehicles. The Japanese plane
set could use some mid-war and late-war additions. There may be some argument to add their most commonly used tank
off the mainland, as well.

The Italian plane set

This is the smallest plane set in Aces High, with only 2 fighters represented. Though the Italians don't historically represent
the largest manufacturing or research and development capability in the war, there are more fighter models needed as well
as at least two (or more) bombers and attack planes that could give this nationality a more realistic game footprint. As far
as vehicles go, there's more reason to add one or two for the Italians than there is for the Japanese.

Other national footprints .... unseen

There's been an argument, by some, to model French aircraft (as well as other nationalities). Quite frankly, when it comes to
events, there's really only portrayal of 'blitzkrieg' invasions where these nations and their planes/vehicles would come to play.
The only potential exception I could see would the the Finnish Wars, since Finland made a pretty good accounting of itself.
Still,  I can't see the non-Finnish player base getting that much behind it since, much like the Russian lend-lease planes, Finland
has planes in the game that can be historically skinned and accurately used in events.
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« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2013, 12:50:52 PM »
Alas ... the plane chart has no place for either. Unless we divide
up the League of Nations between the Russians and the Germans.

 :D

<snip>

Other national footprints .... unseen

There's been an argument, by some, to model French aircraft (as well as other nationalities). Quite frankly, when it comes to
events, there's really only portrayal of 'blitzkrieg' invasions where these nations and their planes/vehicles would come to play.
The only potential exception I could see would the the Finnish Wars, since Finland made a pretty good accounting of itself.
Still,  I can't see the non-Finnish player base getting that much behind it since, much like the Russian lend-lease planes, Finland
has planes in the game that can be historically skinned and accurately used in events.
now now, if you're going to do it for one, you have to do it for all...and these 2 are well deserving, more so than the early biplanes you thought would be a good idea.

iar-80/81


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_80


Dewoitine D.520


http://www.wwiivehicles.com/france/aircraft/fighter/dewoitine-d-520.asp
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2013, 01:07:46 PM »
Ikarus IK-2
We would rather have the Ik-3 Arlo, 12 made of each.


Wall of text... this how ya do it?

Furious because a small nation resisted the almighty German war machine Hitler ordered the attack on Yugoslavia. In Hitler's 'Order 25' the role for Luftwaffe was clear: the destruction of JKRV (Jugoslovensko Kraljevsko Ratno Vazduhoplovstvo - Yugoslovian Royal Air Force) and the bombardment of Belgrade.

For Operation 'MARITA', against Yugoslavia and Greece, the Luftwaffe dropped 1090 aircrafts (Luftflotte 4) and Germans were supported also by additinal 660 Italian and some Hungarian planes. JKRV was able to resist by totally 470 first line aircrafts, but only 269 planes were airworthy modern types. In first day of attack Luftwaffe concentrated mostly on Yugoslavian airbases, destroying a part of JKRV force before take off. But soon Yugoslavian pilots appeared in air...

The German attack came at the wrong time for the 102 eskadilju, 32 vazduhoplovne grupe as witnessed by its CO Mihajlo Nikolic:

".....In Mostar we were supposed to be relived by the Fighter Scholl from Nis. While waiting for them our planes were turning ready for their 100hrs check, because they all had from 110-130hrs flying time. The Me 109E had the Daimler Benz 601 engine, and the only repair shop for these engines was in Zemun. So on Saturday 5. April in the evening we landed on the Zemun airfield. The airplane of August Kovac engine failed while still on the runway, and the others were practically unflyable. But we were immediately included in the 51. vazduhoplovna grupa, which flew IK-3, but only had six of them-three each squadron. That night we were called by the CO of the unit Rupcic and gave as the following order:

- At dawn tomorrow morning you will patrol over the border part Vrsac-Bela Crkva where German tank units from Romunia are anticipated."

A member of these tank units, a tank gunner, describes the Major Diner StG 2 attack on a mountain pass fortification:

"A fine coating of dew covered the vehicles. Only a thin strip of slowly lightening sky above the mountains heralded the start of a new day. It was 5 am on the morning of 6 April. We looked at our watches. Fifteen minutes to go. As we adjusted our binocular, a pale dawn light started to seep down the hillside in front of us. The mountains behind rose out of a milky white morning mist. One more minute. There! To the west a machine gun rattled briefly. Then a muffled explosion. A few seconds of complete silence, then the whole front erupted into noise. Our own light flak units added to the din of the artillery.

Despite the racket, my ears picked up the thin drone of aircraft engines, growing louder every second. I knew from experience what it was, and pointed the glasses upwards. Sure enough, the dim shapes of approaching Stukas. Now they were circling above us, the dark red pin-points of their position lights plainly visible beneath the shadows of their wings.

They slowly began to climb, breaking into the clear light of the new day. More and more aircraft joined them as they headed towards the ridge of the mountains immediately to our front. One last circle, as it to make double sure of the target below, and then the first Ketten went into their dives. Even from here we could hear the familiar nerve-shattering howl of their sirens. And then the first bombs fell. The tiny black specs rained down on the enemy positions. The noise of the explosions echoed back unseen clefts in the mountains as Staffel after Staffel attacked. Soon pillars of yellow-brown smoke were staining the pristine whiteness of the high snowfields."

While Stukas of StG2 were attacking enemy positions and Me 110 were attacking all airfields in the general direction of the attack, a large formation of bombers from II./KG 4, KG 2 and KG 3 was joined by the fighters from II/JG 77, III/JG 77 and III/JG 54. A Yugoslav fighter-pilot during the Zerstorer run said: "When we were watching, almost all, of our fighter airplanes burning our CO said:

- It really is war. We will get paid double".

The approach of the bomber formation to Belgrade went really quiet, and only when the noise of multiple aircraft engines was reported from the hills surrounding Belgrade JKRV's response late due to the failure of the early warning system.

Kapetan 2. klase Mihajlo Nikolic:

"In the morning 6. April 1941 I took-off as first, with my wingman Milodrag Boskovic to follow the order. We returned after 50 min, when we landed we started to eat some sandwiches when from the office burst our CO giving us the sign to take-off. When we were strapping in he radioed us that German airplanes crossed the border at Subotica and were flying from South to Belgrade.

The officer ordering Nikolic to take-off was the CO at Zemun-Adum Romeo. 16 planes took-off.

The first was the IK 3 squardon of kapetan 1. Klase, who was escorted by narednik Dusan Vujicic. The second pair consisted of kapetan 1. razreda Todor Gojic his wingman was narednik Milislav Semiz. Dusan Borcic was leading the third pair and his wingan was Bamfic.

Mihajlo Nikolic continues

The IK-3s flew first because they got the information earlier, we followed them with seven Me 109E (there were ten, but one was unserviceable, and two were on patrol).

It was a clear day with a bit of haze and scattered clouds so we flew towards Sava river. When we were in the air, I looked back from habit and I saw that my wingman Milodrag Boskovic in confusion forgot to pull in his landing gear. I called him via radio but to no success, and only when I opened my landing gear, he cleaned out his gears and joined fighting formation. At first we saw nothing, then we spotted our planes diving into something. When we got closer, the sky immediately went black from German airplanes, and we flew into this turmoil not ever dreaming that Germans had an umbrella of fighters above us. First we saw the Stukas flying in groups of seven. There were so much targets that we didn't have to chose anything. I attacked one group from the left and bellow, but immediately the right side of the group descended for the gunners to have a clear shot. This was a trained tactic, but the group didn't break. We made a couple of runs, but didn't pay attention if there was any results. A little later I noticed that a Stuka was starting to burn, The group immediately-as being ordered-broke fearing an explosion.

Then I noticed that the He 111 were coming. I made a turn and told Boskovic that we are going for a group from behind because they are defended from the top and bellow. I started my attack carefully choosing my position, all concentrated in aiming...from nowhere a blast in the cabin and a German fighter almost rammed me with his wing, coming from the left.

My wingman didn't even saw him. That fighter got a good shot in me, but I to squeezing the trigger gave full left rudder and fired at him. The cabin was already filled with smoke. The fuel tanks are behind us and they could catch fire, we were told to put the fire out with a quick dive, I managed to do that, but when I wanted to apply throttle the engine did not respond. I don't see or hear Boskovic (I never saw him again). I started to chose where I will land, and between the villages Sakule and Baranda I notice a clearance with some stock on the left and right a field. I chose the field and I belly-land. I open the cabin and I notice there is blood on my flying suit, I got shot in my left leg."

In fact Boskovic wasn't found until 1955, when he and he's Me 109 were recovered from Dunav river near the village of Kovilj which is about 2min flying time in general heading towards Belgrade to the place that Nikloic crash-landed his Messerschmitt. Some parts of his Messerschmitt are kept in the Yugoslav air force museum, including the DB 601 engine.

The other pair of JKRV Me 109’s were Miloš Žunič and Džordžem Stojanoćem.

The pair closed in on the He 111’s, one bomber was shot down by Žunič. The pair quickly turned to the fighters and defended themself untill they ran out of ammo. Me 109 flown by Žunič was hit a couple of times, and he bailed out. He came to earth dead. His wingman survived.

The flight of IK-3’s lead by the talented aerobatic champion and flight instructor Savo Poljanec from Maribor soon reached the first wave of enemy bombers.

Okay..Add 2 Country's at once, Australia and France next plane update Add ...CAC Boomerang and the Dewoitine D.520

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« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2013, 01:08:21 PM »
Poljanec lead the group on to the bombers but they were seperated because of the German Me 109 diving on them. Poljanec was now alone and fighting with the guns of 27 bombers. The experienced aerobatic pilot made an immelman turn and came back down the side of the formation concentrating on the right bomber of the last three. Just before the bomber was engulfed in fire the tail gunner watched the victorious Poljanec climb over the formation. Then on the alititude of 6000m Poljanec noticed that a formation of German Me 109 fighters were preparing an attack on him. Poljanec evaded the first fighter, and then started a high speed pursuit, with a couple of short bursts from Poljanec the Me 109 began lossing altitude and was aparently out of control. His joy was to be shortlived because in the next moment, he was attacked by the next fighter who was following him closely all this time. Poljanec felt a sharp pain in his right shoulder and his engine started to quit. Seeing there was no point of proceding, he shut off his engine and started spinnig. The trick worked since the enemy fighters sure of their kills started climb again. His spin became uncontrolled now and only his great experience as an aerobatic pilot enabled him to exit this spin, and this only at minimal altitude. Poljanec was now flying his bullet ridden IK 3 towards Zemun trailing a glycol trail behind him. Just before landing he was strafed by a Me 110 and one of his shell exploded behind the seat that Poljanec was ocupaying. But all in all he managed to land safely and was immediately put in hospital.

Worth mentioning here is that Poljanec in a IK-3 flew a lot of mock dogfights against Yugoslavian Me 109E usually flown by Boris Cijan.

Over another part of Belgrade, over Senjak the second pair consisting of podporočnik Borčič and Bamfič, was looking for a good fight, but they didn’t find any enemies, so they separetad to increase their chances.

Borčič flew toward the Rumanian border and then returned to Belgrade. Over Zvezdara he caught up with 20 Do 17’s enemy bombers that was heading towards the centre of the capital. He attacked the last three and sent one Do 17 in the Danube river. The same scenario as happaned again as with the Poljanec. The German Me 109’s were diving on him, but Borcic gained just a spot of advatage, so he could shot down a Me 109E. Now he was alone, and German fighters were trying to encircle him, but they weren’t suceding untill Borcic run out of ammo. He was shot down on the banks od Danube 15km nort of Belgrade. His last fight was observed by a lot of spectators in Belgrade city. After the war the remains of his IK 3 was lifted from the river, and it revealed that no big ‘white 10’ was worn on the fusleage, but just a little ‘black 10’ on the rudder.

His wingman Bamfić was also fighting with the Me 109s over Batajnica. His IK 3 was alo badly damaged, and he was coming in for landing, but was bounced by two Me 109s. To avoid certain death Bamfic was forced into a series of steep turns, with his wingtips almost touching the ground. He crash-landed near the airfield. His IK 3 was completly destroyed during the landing, but Bamfić was not hurt.

Vujičić had to return to the airfield due to cooling problems.

The pair Gogić and Semiz shot down a Stuka.

A pilot of the bomber stream piloting one of StG 77 Stukas was lucky to avoid Yugoslav fighters:

"After the Green hedgerows of the Normandy countryside, the warm browns and greys of the local landscape were still unfamiliar to our eyes. The morning sun was glinting off the peaks of the Transylvanian Alps at our backs as we were approaching the unmistakable silver ribbonod the Dunav, the frontier between Rumania and Yugoslavia. The hazy outlines of a large city appeared in the distance-Belgrade!

Below us the first few burst of enemy flak. But nothing to worry about. Those of us who'd been through Poland and France had seen much worse. The city is much clearer now. The white tower-like buildings bright in the morning sun. The Staffeln opens up as pilots prepare to dive. Our target is a the fortress which gave the city it's name. Perched high above the promontory where the Sava joins Dunav, it couldn't be missed.

I felt the jolt as our bomb was released. We leveled out and turned back for base at high speed, ready to prepare for the next mission. As we retired I saw the fortress ringed in smoke and flames. Fires had also been started in the royal palace and the nearby main railway station. Soon smoke hung over the whole city like a great grey shroud.

On 6 April 1941, during the first mission of Luftwaffe's I.(J)/LG 2 - low-level attack against the base of the 36th Fighter Group base at Rezanovacka Kosa at Kumanovo shortly after 6:00 am - the Bf 109s of this unit got involved in a dogfight with the Hawker Fury biplanes of 36th FG above this airfield. Without any reported losses, I.(J)/LG 2 (equipped with Bf 109 E-7) made the following claims of Hawker Furys: Lt. Geisshardt - 4 Furys (victories Nos 14-17), Olt. Clausen - 3 Furys (Nos 6-8) and Gefr. Quatember - 1 Fury (No 3).

During the first mission of JG 77 - escort to the raid against Belgrade - between 07.30 and 08.40, 56 Bf 109 of JG 77 were involved in furious dogfights with Yugoslav fighters. Oberleutnant Erich Friedrich of Stab/JG 77 claimed a Yugoslav Bf 109 as his third victory. In II./JG 77, the following pilots claimed one Bf 109 each: Olt. Jung (his victory No. 3), Ofw. Petermann (7), Lt. Zuzic (1), Fw. Ftröba (3), Olt. Patz (1), Fw. Köhler (2), Ofw. Petermann (8). And - in III./JG 77 - Olt. Schmidt one Bf 109 (No 1) and Ofw. Riehl one Ikarus Ik-2

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« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2013, 01:21:23 PM »
l...and these 2 are well deserving, more so than the early biplanes you thought would be a good idea.

iar-80/81

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That was a Tracefi thread and you were a lot more excited than I. I believe I stated that the thread
was interesting then I offered some reference material in a non-committal manner.  :D

I stand by my assessment above.  :cool:

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« Reply #86 on: June 06, 2013, 01:21:45 PM »
Ikarus IK-3

    The Rogožarski IK-3, a low wing monoplane single seat interceptor fighter with retractable landing gear, was a product of the design team of Ljubomir Ilić and Kosta Sivčev as a follow on to their IK-1/IK-2 fighter. Joined by Ing. Zrnić, they initiated the design in 1936 under strict secrecy, wind tunnel testing was done in France, before submitting the design to the Yugoslav Air Ministry. Construction of the IK-3 was assigned to Rogožarski A. D. in Belgrade and the prototype flew for the first time in the spring of 1938.
    
    The IK-3 was powered by a Hispano-Suiza 12Y-29 liquid-cooled inline engine that was rated at 890 hp for take-off and at 920 hp at 11,810 feet altitude. The prototype was armed with one 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon and two 7.92 mm FN-Browning machine guns mounted over the engine in the fuselage. The aircraft was of mixed steel tube, wood, and fabric construction with the retractable landing gear of Messier design. Its construction was similar to Hawker Hurricane.    

    Six test pilots flew the prototype in a very successful test program before it was lost. On January 19, 1939 the test pilot, Captain Pokorni, after a series of acrobatic maneuvers entered a terminal velocity dive from which he did not recover. After an investigation the aircraft was found not at fault and the Air Ministry ordered an initial lot of twelve aircraft.

    The production IK-3 was refined with a number of changes including modifications to the sliding cockpit canopy, addition of a bullet proof windshield, and installation of the Avia H.S. 12Ycrs inline engine, a Czech built version of the Hispano-Suiza installed in the prototype. The first IK-3s were delivered in the summer of 1940 to an experimental fighter squadron whose pilots preferred it to the Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 and the Hawker Hurricane, as the IK-3 was more maneuverable and could make tighter turns. Additionally, the aircraft was found to be very maintainable.

    With the success of the IK-3, planning began for licensing manufacture in Turkey as well as increased production by Rogožarski. But before the second lot of IK-3 could be started German forces invaded Yugoslavia.

    As production of the IK-3 proceeded the design team was working on improved versions of the IK-3 and other designs. Among the IK-3 improvements in work was installation of a more powerful engine. Engines that were considered to various extents were an upgraded 1,100 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Y-51, the Daimler-Benz DB-601A, and the 1,030 HP Rolls-Royce Merlin III engines. Also, Rogožarski was pursuing a new fighter design, the IK-5, that was to be powered by two Hispano-Suiza 12Y engines. Two versions of the design were planned, a single seat interceptor and a two seat long range “destroyer” with heavy nose mounted armament. Models of the IK-5 had been tested in wind tunnels and construction of a prototype begun when the German invasion ended this and all other efforts.
Operators

* Kingdom of Yugoslavia

General characteristics

* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 27 ft 5 in (8.38 m)
* Wingspan: 33 ft 10 in (10.33 m)
* Height: 10 ft 8 in (3.23 m)
* Wing area: 179 ft˛ (16.6 m˛)
* Empty: 4,123 lb (1874 kg)
* Loaded: 5,291 lb (2405 kg)
* Maximum takeoff: lb (kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Avia-built Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs twelve cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine, 920 shp (686 kW) each


Performance

* Maximum speed: 327 mph at 17,715 ft (526 km/h at 5401 m)
* Range: 310 miles (496 km)
* Service ceiling: 26,250 ft (8,003 m)
* Rate of climb: ft/min (m/min)
* Wing loading: 29 lb/ft˛ (113 kg/m˛)
* Power/mass: 0.17 hp/lb (0.29 kW/kg)

Armament

* 1× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon
* 2× 7.92 mm FN-Browning machine guns
    
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« Reply #87 on: June 06, 2013, 01:23:09 PM »
That was a Tracefi thread and you were a lot more excited than I. I believe I stated that the thread
was interesting then I offered some reference material in a non-committal manner.  :D

I stand by my assessment above.  :cool:

 Stand there all day for all I care .. I'll have one of your flunkys bring you a golden bucket .... Better?  :D
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #88 on: June 06, 2013, 01:27:13 PM »
Stand there all day for all I care .. I'll get you a bucket  :D

How French of you.  :D

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2013, 01:29:48 PM »
That was a Tracefi thread and you were a lot more excited than I. I believe I stated that the thread
was interesting then I offered some reference material in a non-committal manner.  :D

I stand by my assessment above.  :cool:
you sure spend a lot of time doing something in a "non-commital manner"...

Another 'source' (forum) provided a list (I have expanded ir with pics and wiki references - this is neither an endorsement nor argument against any or all planes listed - it is merely added reference):

I was doing some research for a side project about the Fiat CR.42 Falco, an Italian biplane fighter used extensively during WWII. It got me thinking, how many biplanes were used by frontline units in World War 2. So I spent much of today researching this and came up with a list of planes I have been able to confirm being used after 1 Sept 1939.

For the purpose of this list I'm not including aircraft used in the Spanish Civil War or the Sino-Japanese War, nor am I counting trainers. If you know of any that I missed, and I'm certain there are several, please add them to the list.


non-committed would be "cool idea"...not a wall of text with details.   :neener:
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