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Offline kappa

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Re: 163
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 11:09:55 PM »
if the perk price is raised.. The 163 should be enabled at any base and the next closest base in any sector with greater than 4-1odds attackers/defenders..

edit: actually, this should be done anyway   :)
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Re: 163
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2013, 04:43:34 AM »
Why not also include 163 DLC pack where you can buy 163s for $20 with double ammo load and free to any field  :banana:

Or the AH con ufos as $500 DLC!
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Re: 163
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 06:27:46 AM »
I still believe the solution involves controlling the ENY and perk cost with an added "Use Factor" with some sort of reference to historical use values if practical. 

As an example.  Say I go into the MA.  No one on the Rooks has taken out a 163 by chance.  I up one for say 100 perks.  Rook Player B goes to up on a 163 too and it is now 150 since one was already in play.  Rook Player C wants a 163 but now the perk is 300.   I would suggest this same system apply to all planes so during very high use planes like the Mustang Ds, P47Ms and Spit 16 and 109Ks be perkerked.

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Re: 163
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 06:44:49 AM »
Randy, the idea is to encourage people to fly AcesHigh, can you imagine how many people you'd piss off with that system, especially Mission orientated players?!

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Re: 163
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 07:07:59 AM »
Randy, the idea is to encourage people to fly AcesHigh, can you imagine how many people you'd piss off with that system, especially Mission orientated players?!

When there is an imbalance in the number of players per country, the current ENY systems limits low ENY planes now.  Why not expand that system to include an imbalance in planes?

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Re: 163
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 07:20:57 AM »
163 is fine where it is.  Limited range, low amount of amo, and gos boom at the slightest touch.

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Re: 163
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 09:22:17 AM »
I think that there is a good argument to be made that the 163 is too cheap.  When perk values were adjusted this month, the fact that the 163 is only available at a few fields was not weighed into the analysis.  It's not apples to apples when comparing it to other perk planes because it is only taken up when there is an opportunity to do so.  When there is an opportunity to use it, its take rate is much higher than stats would otherwise indicate.


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Re: 163
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 09:24:20 AM »
163 is fine where it is.  Limited range, low amount of amo, and gos boom at the slightest touch.

True, but within it's range and while it still has ammo it's arguably the most capable plane in AH.  The issue brought up in another thread is pretty valid - strat runners are laying on the line a lot more time and/or perks to hit the strats than the guy who can up a relatively cheap manned rocket and intercept them in 3 minutes.  I'm all for the 163... it's a cool plane, but it should be limited in it's availability.  

Perk the hell out of it and call it a day.  That would probably limit them sufficiently and ensure the people who do use them aren't just using them for ram rockets after the taters are gone.
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Re: 163
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 09:43:11 AM »
I rarely get on the perk wagon, but the 163 does need a bump in it's perk level.
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Re: 163
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 10:48:43 AM »
ghi wants F3 view for 163 too
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Re: 163
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 12:20:44 PM »
I'd like to see the damn things randomly explode, not only for historical reason but comedic reasons.

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Re: 163
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2013, 02:09:23 PM »
I think that there is a good argument to be made that the 163 is too cheap.  When perk values were adjusted this month, the fact that the 163 is only available at a few fields was not weighed into the analysis.  It's not apples to apples when comparing it to other perk planes because it is only taken up when there is an opportunity to do so.  When there is an opportunity to use it, its take rate is much higher than stats would otherwise indicate.

if the 163 is available no one even bothers to watch or patrol the strat area. they wait till the red darbar is near the city and are up at 40k in 3 min.

the 163 should be the last ditch choice and not a complete substitute for actual air cover by piston fighters of the strat areas.

it should be so expensive that few would risk losing so many perks to use it on every single red darbar dot that passes along.

a good 163 pilot can wipe out a set of b29s at 1.0eny thats 300 hard to get perkies.

why doesn't the 163 cost 300 perks as well?


think about it.

you dont encounter many b29s in maps where strats have a 163 base because the b29 pilot knows he could encounter a swarm of not just 1 163 but 5-6. and if he kills them all they are back and attacking in 3 minutes because 50 perks to most who know how to fly a 163 is like upping a t34/85 at a spawn camp. they dont care if they lose 50 perkies.


the b29 and the 163 are the ultimate enemies in this game and both are only useful at the strats. the b29 takes too long to climb and its bomb drop pattern is to large for precision work that the other 4engine bombers can do better.

300 perks for b29s 300 perks for 163.

nothing less will even deter the cloud of disposable 163s that up repeatedly anytime anythign to shoot at is in range.



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Re: 163
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2013, 02:19:06 PM »
i upped a set of b29s sometime ago now and got to 34k it took me well over and hour i get to strats i shot down the same person 3 times in about20-25 mins those 3 163s most likly did not even cost him the prce of a single 262.. its pretty rare to see someone lose a 262 and up and lose 2 more why because that is around 500 points thats alot of perk points to through away you can up 3 163s for the price of a 262. The 163 is kinda cheap imho.if the small amount of fuel and ammo is the reason for it being such low cost is there a way to limit each person 1 163 per hour so if you lose 1 then you cant just keep reuuping them.i have had 163s chase me back to are strats before some have the fuel figured out some dont but they can be a pain they when up in mass like yesterday 20 of them at a time and if they did they just reupped
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Re: 163
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2013, 02:24:30 PM »
The first Mosquito Mk XVI that I lost was to an Me163 on a small map.  I hit the strats with a cookie from 29,000ft, but the strats were close to the HQ and an Me163 lifted as I approached.  The Mossie was fast enough that I was able to put enough distance between us that my bomb still hit before he could get to me, but I had no chance to escaping.  After that I decided to not hit the strats on that map anymore.  The time investment is too much just to get intercepted by Me163s.

If I hadn't been in a perk bomber I highly doubt that I'd have even gotten to drop my bombs.  He'd have caught me before I was at the drop point.
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