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Offline Saxman

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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #135 on: July 09, 2013, 11:27:12 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 09, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
There's one aspect that I don't think anyone has considered...

What contributes to the F4U-4 being the premier single engine fighter/bomber of WWII is its ability to operate from land or sea. That advantage is actually, huge.....

I think that's definitely something being overlooked. The Fw-190 and P-47 (even the later, longer-ranged models) can't really compare to the potential force projection of an F4U-4 staging from an aircraft carrier.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #136 on: July 09, 2013, 11:29:04 PM »
But the P-47N could reach Tokyo or Berlin from Kansas, so it didn't need carriers.  ;)
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #137 on: July 10, 2013, 12:01:35 AM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 08, 2013, 11:27:06 AM
BTW, forgot to mention that in the MA icepac said that Mr. Clinton Johnson is his father.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2013, 07:18:47 AM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 09, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
There's one aspect that I don't think anyone has considered...

What contributes to the F4U-4 being the premier single engine fighter/bomber of WWII is its ability to operate from land or sea. That advantage is actually, huge.....

If the nation in question needs a navy to get to its enemies, sure. Russia and Germany had no such needs. If they had, then I'd think the 190 could have easily been converted to carrier use like the Hurricane, Spitfire and 109 was early in the war. It already had a sturdy structure, excellent wide track landing gear, and reliable radial engine.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #139 on: July 10, 2013, 07:34:30 AM »
I am pretty sure a navalized Fw190 would have been a much better carrier plane than the Bf109, Hurricane or Spitfire, though it may have needed its wing loading reduced by enlarging the wings a bit.  The Bf109 was about the most wrong plane for the job one can imagine.  Spitfire wasn't too far behind the Bf109 in being bad for the job.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #140 on: July 10, 2013, 07:46:12 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 10, 2013, 07:18:47 AM
If the nation in question needs a navy to get to its enemies, sure. Russia and Germany had no such needs.


...errmmm.....wasn't Germany fighting...you know...England...?

- oldman (not intending to derail the thread!)
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #141 on: July 10, 2013, 07:54:53 AM »
Quote from: Oldman731 on July 10, 2013, 07:46:12 AM

...errmmm.....wasn't Germany fighting...you know...England...?

- oldman (not intending to derail the thread!)

No Germany was fighting the UK (England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland). Carriers couldn't operate in the North Sea > they would be juicy targets for annihilation.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #142 on: July 10, 2013, 08:44:29 AM »
Quote from: Oldman731 on July 10, 2013, 07:46:12 AM

...errmmm.....wasn't Germany fighting...you know...England...?

- oldman (not intending to derail the thread!)

Yeah... They needed invasion barges and landing craft. They already had the huge carrier "KM Frankreich" parked just off the coast of England... ;)
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #143 on: July 10, 2013, 11:05:39 AM »
The 190's airframe was built to withstand a landing with a sink rate of 15ft/sec, roughly twice the standard tolerances. Also, an A5 is entirely capable of taking off from a carrier, even if it gets a tad sketchy at high weights.

Now, if Germany had needed that type of navy, the 190 would have made an excellent carrier fighter.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #144 on: July 10, 2013, 11:19:20 AM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 09, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
There's one aspect that I don't think anyone has considered...

What contributes to the F4U-4 being the premier single engine fighter/bomber of WWII is its ability to operate from land or sea. That advantage is actually, huge.....

That's a very good point WW. However that attribute is best measured in potential, not historical results.

If measured by the latter, IMO, that leaves the P-47D, FW190, F4UD, and F6F as the front runners for best single engine FB.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #145 on: July 10, 2013, 11:14:58 PM »
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There's one aspect that I don't think anyone has considered...

What contributes to the F4U-4 being the premier single engine fighter/bomber of WWII is its ability to operate from land or sea. That advantage is actually, huge.....

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That's a very good point WW. However that attribute is best measured in potential, not historical results.

If measured by the latter, IMO, that leaves the P-47D, FW190, F4UD, and F6F as the front runners for best single engine FB.

Perhaps I'm a bit off topic here, and perhaps a bit undereducated, but I am wondering which of these aircraft, other than the F4U, answers the OPs original question: P47D, FW190, F6F?

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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2013, 06:56:17 AM »
All og them? Depending om preference.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2013, 07:00:49 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 11, 2013, 06:56:17 AM
All og them? Depending om preference.

I believe he means to take the original question literally: 2 "wars" and 1 police action.  That would certainly lead to the conclusion of the F4U. 

But I agree with you; all of them based on personal opinion.  The answer will be subjective.
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #148 on: November 12, 2013, 05:21:28 PM »
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Re: Best Single Engine fighter-Bomber(Prop Driven)
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2013, 10:28:27 AM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 08, 2013, 11:27:06 AM
BTW, forgot to mention that in the MA icepac said that Mr. Clinton Johnson is his father.

Pretty Rad....if thats the case.

http://www.vnafmamn.com/Skyraider_vs_MIG17.html


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