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Offline GScholz

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2013, 09:15:16 PM »
How is it misdirection to say the game is free? It is free. If you want you can buy extra stuff in the game. You're like saying that optional extras on a car is a "scam" and it should be all or nothing. I think the free to play and it's many variations (freemium being one) is a good business model; I get to play the game for free, and if I really like it I can spend some money on extra content to make the game even better. To continue the car analogy: Wouldn't it be great if car dealers would let you own and drive cars for free? ... Only the basic models of course; you'd have to pay for the optional extras like AC and electric seats.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2013, 11:22:41 PM »
How is it misdirection to say the game is free? It is free. If you want you can buy extra stuff in the game. You're like saying that optional extras on a car is a "scam" and it should be all or nothing. I think the free to play and it's many variations (freemium being one) is a good business model; I get to play the game for free, and if I really like it I can spend some money on extra content to make the game even better. To continue the car analogy: Wouldn't it be great if car dealers would let you own and drive cars for free? ... Only the basic models of course; you'd have to pay for the optional extras like AC and electric seats.

I'm not sure how much of an edge the pay to play planes give you over the best you can earn without buying stuff in WT, but in a PvP game if buying stuff gives you the 'I win' button, it's easy to understand why it might sit wrong with people.

If WT is like over here, it's to a certain degree the plane, but the operator can make up for a lot.  Maybe it's still possible to have fun and be competitive over there without paying a cent against the top tier planes, I don't know.

I find the rumor about the FM people leaving sort of funny, sort of sad because I was under the impression some of the FM people had jumped ship from here figuring they were going to 'do it right' and it was going to be ever so much better over there.  If the rumor's true, it's the result I pretty much figured would happen.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #167 on: August 22, 2013, 05:17:56 AM »
Has anyone got a good word to say about WT :old:

apart from graphics :old:
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #168 on: August 22, 2013, 05:43:49 AM »
Has anyone got a good word to say about WT :old:

Absolutely, it really helps you appreciate AH :)
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #169 on: August 22, 2013, 06:34:51 AM »
Aces High is my favorite ww2 sim of all time.

as for war thunder...

skip arcade completely and only bother trying historic battles if you cant get a match quick enough in full realism.
 
 
the only thing War thunder has that is decent is their full realism mode which has only a handful of people and is an orphan that is basically unsupported by the developers. hell it was added by player request only lol.
 
full realism mode has everything I want in the way its setup... historic matchups, rapid action, no icons, great graphics that make no icons realistic and close to real world aircraft spotting, smooth fluid head tracking, decent flight model (its early Il2 FM quirky not so great at below stall speed modelling but close enough to be called usable). clouds, love them just wish long range dots were not visible through clouds though. (why am I the only plane thats VFR on top through a thick overcast layer? lol IFR currency is another big advantage when having to use these partial panel ww2 planes in thick clouds with no autopilot )
 
in such a scenario the more realism you add in the more you exclude regular players who havent had years of real world flight experience (or lots of flight sim experience is just as good perhaps but lots of experience using real world spotting techniques in the real world REALLY DO MAKE full realism spotting easy) to the point that they are just cannon fodder for players like me and they find it too difficult to learn or bother with and go back to Arcade  or historical arcade modes and let the ai fly the plane for them while they point it at the nearest big neon billboard they want to shoot at.

 
when you think about leveling up mechanics in War Thunder and grinding and putting in the time in the game the irony that the more realism added to a game with a good setup could keep people hooked for a decade the way Aces High has because its so difficult may be lost on the masses and Gaijin War Thunders developers too. not just grinding stats to give yourself an advantage but getting better at flying and air combat maneuvers and spotting enemy aircraft and developing those skills through actual practice takes a long time for some. many are naturals, some will never get it. thats what has made Aces High continue for over a decade. it has become a form of golf with all the addictions and frustrations that that entails.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #170 on: August 22, 2013, 02:54:12 PM »
I've tried War Thunder and really didn't get into it...but I tried AH in 2005 and haven't stopped playing it yet.   :joystick: :airplane:
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #171 on: August 23, 2013, 07:31:12 AM »
Has anyone got a good word to say about WT :old:

WT FRB it is quite realistic:

1) No enemy icons
2) No radar
3) No autotrim/autoclimb
4) realistic weather conditions
5) progressive damage model
6) different choice of ammo belts
7) no ammo counters
8) no damage list
9) limited pilots stamina
10) flight model with short stall warning
11) midair friendly collisions

Now put on top superior graphics and you get quite fresh experience/immersion you've never seen in AH main arena in 10 years.

And 200+ planes already modeled. Not band for F2P, huh ?

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #172 on: August 23, 2013, 08:12:23 AM »

And 200+ planes already modeled. Not band for F2P, huh ?


I'd rather have 20 planes with reliable and accurate flight models, than 200 with constant complaints about being over- or under-modeled.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #173 on: August 23, 2013, 09:38:01 AM »
Like I have stated on festers thread :old:

Like RoF but Gaijin needed cannot see wood for the trees :old:

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #174 on: August 23, 2013, 09:42:14 AM »
Honestly, take RoF and and replace it with WWII planes and every sim out there would pale in comparison, AH included. Which is why I hope the upcoming Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad will be done right. Do it right and I'm won't even come back to this drama ego inflated cesspool. Sure will miss the friends I have here, but oh wells.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #175 on: August 23, 2013, 10:29:25 AM »
Do it right and I'm won't even come back to this drama ego inflated cesspool. Sure will miss the friends I have here, but oh wells.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #176 on: August 23, 2013, 10:55:18 AM »
What makes you think Internet egos are exclusive to Aces High?

Not so much if there is, as much as the amount of it. Here you see the same people everyday because the playerbase is puny. And it's the same sob story everytime. At least in other games, there's a variety of different people you interact with everyday, so that the occasional douch isn't a thing to dread.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #177 on: August 23, 2013, 11:15:33 AM »
WT FRB it is quite realistic:

1) No enemy icons
2) No radar
3) No autotrim/autoclimb
4) realistic weather conditions
5) progressive damage model
6) different choice of ammo belts
7) no ammo counters
8) no damage list
9) limited pilots stamina
10) flight model with short stall warning
11) midair friendly collisions

Now put on top superior graphics and you get quite fresh experience/immersion you've never seen in AH main arena in 10 years.

And 200+ planes already modeled. Not band for F2P, huh ?
take all that fluff (some of which is pure fantasy nonsense) and toss in prototype/theoretical aircraft as well as actual aircraft with crap flight models and you have fluffed crap...

Not so much if there is, as much as the amount of it. Here you see the same people everyday because the playerbase is puny. And it's the same sob story everytime. At least in other games, there's a variety of different people you interact with everyday, so that the occasional douch isn't a thing to dread.
you must ignore the chat window...there are more ultra melons in wt than there are here. i've never seen so many blatant f-bombs spewed in chat without consequences than i see in wt. not to mention the vast number of idiots spouting absolute nonsense about anything historical in the forums. according to the masses in wt, it's a game, not a simulation...which is the only thing factual about wt.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #178 on: August 23, 2013, 11:25:03 AM »
Perhaps ironically, Russian games are less censored than American games these days.
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Re: War Thunder
« Reply #179 on: August 23, 2013, 01:40:53 PM »
Honestly, take RoF and and replace it with WWII planes and every sim out there would pale in comparison, AH included. Which is why I hope the upcoming Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad will be done right. Do it right and I'm won't even come back to this drama ego inflated cesspool. Sure will miss the friends I have here, but oh wells.

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