Fix the Dora!!

[Zacherof]

Were at it, give us a D12 or D13

perked of coarse

[icepac]

If they're going to "fix" the radiator, they also need to address taking a 75mm shell point blank on the spinner and flying away with nothing but an oil leak.......engine still running.

I just don't see any WWII airplane taking that kind of damage without at least killing the engine.

[SirNuke]

If they're going to "fix" the radiator, they also need to address taking a 75mm shell point blank on the spinner and flying away with nothing but an oil leak.......engine still running.

I just don't see any WWII airplane taking that kind of damage without at least killing the engine.

film?

[coombz]

film?

icepac always posts films to back up his outrageous claims

i'm sure he will have it uploaded momentarily to shut down all naysayers!

[mthrockmor]

I see hope since Skuzzy jumped in.

Let's keep this thread to something that works. Sans film on the 75mm and requests for new versions of the Dora, can we keep this to something that should be quick an easy and not delay any current and future projects of value in Grapevine.

Please, some tweaking of the code on the radiator leaks of our current Fw-190D-9. 

boo

[icepac]

icepac always posts films to back up his outrageous claims

i'm sure he will have it uploaded momentarily to shut down all naysayers!

No need to post film for Coombz sake because he simply ignores the refutation in film form because it does not suit his agenda.

I did check and it seems it was a LA7 rather than a 190 who took a 75mm tank round to the spinner at near point blank range and flew long enough to make another pass before trying to RTB but came up a little short.

My point is that these planes can take a 75mm tank shell to the engine and continue flying and that many hits people complain about are either a large amount of 50 calibers landing all about the engine or a much larger cannon shell landing.

I've oiled a 262 taking off with a pistol but it took 13 hits to the same engine to do it.

[bustr]

If our engine is the Jumo 213A, the annular radiator is for the engine coolant. Only a single coolant port at the top and two at the bottom. The coolant and oil was kept at high pressure like in the DB60X engines so their boiling point would be kept high as altitudes increased. If not pressurized, liquids boil at a lower temp as alt increases.

With a 1 : 2 radiator port arrangement to service two banks of cylinders under pressure. Damaging either side is moot. Your pressure will drop and your feed will eventually run out the hole. If you look at the engine's cutaways and cross sections. It's a high pressure oil leak waiting for the first API, 20mm, or 30mm round to breach the block\cylinder heads or to crack it. If you put enough armor plate around the whole engine to make it API\cannon proof, look at maybe the SL WEP speed as your overall alt top speed. The armor in the annular ring is betting on the bullet path to strike at an angle compounding the relative thickness of the plate.

It's a big toe waiting to get stubbed on a rock except where the engine mount arms are. Everything else will get broken or chewed up. Lots of high pressure tubing and feed lines to shred.

If it's the DB603 it's got the oil cooler sitting on top of the reduction housing as a small oil cooler box and the coolant radiator laying in the lower part of the annular housing ring. Another big toe waiting to be stubbed along with the engine block.

Back to my questions.

1.- Is this an area effect calculation needing the forward region pulled back to the annular ring?
2.- Is this a bug?
3.- Is this a test of your reactions to the reality of how vulnerable inline engines were in WW2 for future considerations to realism?

So are all of our inline engines equally vulnerable except with the IL2?

Link to one of the JUMO 213A D9 manuals: http://www.scribd.com/doc/122004586/focke-wulf-fw-190-d-ersatzteil-liste-konstruktionsgruppe-6-triebwerk-oktober-1944

[coombz]

No need to post film for Coombz sake because he simply ignores the refutation in film form because it does not suit his agenda.

I did check and it seems it was a LA7 rather than a 190 who took a 75mm tank roundm to the spinner at near point blank range and flew long enough to make another pass before trying to RTB but came up a little short.

My point is that these planes can take a 75mm tank shell to the engine and continue flying and that many hits people complain about are either a large amount of 50 calibers landing all about the engine or a much larger cannon shell landing.

I've oiled a 262 taking off with a pistol but it took 13 hits to the same engine to do it.

when have you ever posted a film to support any of your fairy stories? please provide quotes and links

and still no proof of the plane surviving a 75mm hit, colour me surprised

[Debrody]

when have you ever posted a film to support any of your fairy stories? please provide quotes and links

and still no proof of the plane surviving a 75mm hit, colour me surprised

It did happen to me too.
I was in an m18, trying to shoot a 190D strafing me with an AP shell. Hit him on the spinner and he flew away leaking oil. No film though.

It only happened once and in every other case, the plane exploded (fuselage hit) or lost a wing. Pony, 190, il-2, lancaster, b25, anything, both when i was shooting them and when i was shot in the face 

[Fox]

I also hit a plane with an AP round one time, from one of the M4s, and to my surprise it flew off.

[potsNpans]

I'd throw the 109 in with the paper radiator crowd for adjustment also, perhaps wishful thinking on my part though.

[LCADolby]

when have you ever posted a film to support any of your fairy stories? please provide quotes and links

and still no proof of the plane surviving a 75mm hit, colour me surprised

Tickled me pink

 

[icepac]

when have you ever posted a film to support any of your fairy stories? please provide quotes and links

and still no proof of the plane surviving a 75mm hit, colour me surprised

Yes, films were posted.

You will have to find them yourself because I feel no need to do any work searching that you refuse to do.

And your clown twin dolby shows up to cast a stone.

Why don't you ask airjer about the tank that shot his LA7 in the spinner at HQ with the main gun since he was the one flying the plane.  (it happened in late war tour 137)

[Rino]

      You know there is an easy fix for the radiator problem, stop running your aircraft into bullets/
shells..tadaa  problem fixed! 

[bustr]

If you test all fighters per pervert's testing method. Shoot each one in the prop spinner forward of the prop. If you get an oil hit response, that may be a sign of code simplification. What happened in the real world if the prop hub was hit or anywhere in the first 18 inches of an inline engine?

Then your question would be towards realistic odds on that ever happening with the frequency it does in our game.

Can you create an offline mission where the enemy plane sits forever on the runway and you get spawned into it's airfield in a jeep along with all auto ack disabled? Then simply change the aircraft for each run to test damage. Otherwise it's herding cats to convince another player to give up an afternoon testing every single fighter with you in a custom arena. My wife would help me but, we only have the single IP and MAC interface to the game from home.