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Offline alskahawk

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2013, 06:55:07 AM »
 Why is it that a A20 with a load of bombs can out turn a fighter? Bad modeling. This is a good game but it could be better.

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #91 on: July 01, 2013, 07:22:55 AM »
Why is it that a A20 with a load of bombs can out turn a fighter?


Because the fighter pilot sucks.

No, that's not just a smartass reply. A fully loaded A-20 has a very mediocre turn radius and turn rate, most fighters do much better (not to speak of power/ acceleration). If the A-20 outturns and shoots down a fighter, the fighter pilot messed it up. (Yes, I have also messed it up more than once and fell to the A-20 ;) )

Planes have their strengths and limitations. But it depends on the pilot to exploit the potential performance. I have flatly outturned Spitfires and Ki-84s in my Ta-152, but that doesn't mean the Ta 152 "outturns a Spit". I outturned the enemy pilot, who was not able to utilize the maximum turning performance of his plane. If flown to the performance limit, both planes go circles around the TA 152.

A competently flown A-20, in a light configuration can surprise the unsuspecting, average fighter pilot, outfly and shoot him down. But you can only take it so far.

If you suspect "bad modeling", I'm afraid you will have to present your case with more substance, i.e. technical details and actual numbers. (By the way, turn radius and turn rates in game can be objectively tested and compared)


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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #92 on: July 01, 2013, 08:24:55 AM »
all very good points for the removal of the 110-C4B and adding of extra variants.   

Nice write up juggler, if Midway understands this concept he will be even more of a pest to the wider AH community.
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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #93 on: July 01, 2013, 08:43:15 AM »
I think I am at the mezzanine level.  I love your analogy Juggler.  I'll try the escalator but I think the stairs are more realistic for me. Lol. I love this game.
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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #94 on: July 01, 2013, 09:38:55 AM »
NEWS FLASH !!!!

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #95 on: July 01, 2013, 09:45:34 AM »
There's a 4th level, Juggler.  Those that can do it in nearly any plane in the set.  There's only a tiny percentage that can get into any fighter/attack plane and keep the skill level up without missing a beat.

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #96 on: July 01, 2013, 10:23:19 AM »
Photographic proof of the over-modeled 110C out maneuvering a Spit :



It just can't happen!!!  Fix the game!!!   ;)



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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #97 on: July 01, 2013, 10:42:34 AM »
Photographic proof of the over-modeled 110C out maneuvering a Spit :



It just can't happen!!!  Fix the game!!!   ;)

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2013, 11:11:35 AM »
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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2013, 11:24:18 AM »
if Midway understands this concept he will be even more of a pest to the wider AH community.

He's not a pest because of his flying Bruv.

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2013, 12:48:39 PM »
Why is it that a A20 with a load of bombs can out turn a fighter? Bad modeling. This is a good game but it could be better.

An A-20 with a full internal and external load of bombs cannot out turn or out maneuver a fighter.  If a heavily loaded A-20 out maneuvered you, instead of blaming the flight model, maybe you should review the film and look for the part where you screwed up and learn from your mistake.

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2013, 01:20:43 PM »
Anyone complaining that some aircraft is too dominant should do two things.  1:  Contemplate why, if it is so dominant, there aren't as many in the air as Spits, La-7's, P-51's, etc.  2:  Fly that aircraft around a bit to see for yourself.

If you don't do 1 and 2, you come off sounding foolish.

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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2013, 01:21:44 PM »
Why is it that a A20 with a load of bombs can out turn a fighter?

It can't.

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Re: Bf 110c
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Re: Bf 110c
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2013, 05:11:56 PM »
Why does Who always whine about loosing to the top 20% while he bangs his own two gongs over slaughtering the 80% as justification for membership to the 20%? You don't become a 20% with your mouth. Learning from your mistakes takes place north of the mouth and gongs. Unless he simply enjoys opportunities to sling stuff from farther south and see who shows up for dinner.

If Who really wants to be humiliated by a 110C he should duel stang. Stang destroyed an old 56th fighter sweep years ago with his 110C. There were 4 of us in D40 and he was flying slow circles near the deck waiting for us. We all thought we were bad because we could eat spits in our D40.
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