Bf 110c

[Midway]

"the twin-engined Messerschmitt Bf 110C long range Zerstörer ("Destroyer") was also expected to engage in air-to-air combat while escorting the Luftwaffe bomber fleet. Although the 110 was faster than the Hurricane and almost as fast as the Spitfire, its lack of manoeuvrability and acceleration meant that it was a failure as a long-range escort fighter."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

If the above is true, then why can our AH Bf110C, flown by JUGgler for example, out turn and beat a Spitfire?  

[cobia38]

 maybe you are being out piloted,did you ever think of that 

[Karnak]

It is verboten to post that kind of thing in here.  The Luftwaffe fans will be in shortly to explain to you how the Bf110 was actually a great fighter that was crippled by Goering's close escort orders.

(This is revisionist pap that ignores its fate when facing Hurricanes and Spitfires before the close escort orders were issued)

Personally I'd expect a flight model revision to the Bf110s when they get redone, and like with the Hurricane it is unlikely be come out of it being as capable as it was before.  Based on the AH1 Bf109E-4, Bf110C-4b, Hurricane Mk I and Spitfire Mk I one would have expected the Luftwaffe to focus development on the Bf110 and the RAF on the Hurricane resulting in Bf110K-4's facing Hurricane Mk XIVs rather than Bf109K-4's facing Spitfire Mk XIVs as actually happened.  There are reasons they chose the Bf109 and Spitfire.

[Midway]

maybe you are being out piloted,did you ever think of that  

Doubt that... as you should know.

Fact is that the 110c turns on a dime and can maneuver better than most anything else.  You fight JUGgler in his 110c and you too will see.  Without the 110c, JUGgler barely has a chance.  It's the aeroplane in this case, not the pilot.

It just seems contradictory to the above description of the 110c.

[Oldman731]

It is verboten to post that kind of thing in here.  The Luftwaffe fans will be in shortly to explain to you how the Bf110 was actually a great fighter that was crippled by Goering's close escort orders.

(This is revisionist pap that ignores its fate when facing Hurricanes and Spitfires before the close escort orders were issued)

Heh.  Too true.

- oldman

[Tracerfi]

"the twin-engined Messerschmitt Bf 110C long range Zerstörer ("Destroyer") was also expected to engage in air-to-air combat while escorting the Luftwaffe bomber fleet. Although the 110 was faster than the Hurricane and almost as fast as the Spitfire, its lack of manoeuvrability and acceleration meant that it was a failure as a long-range escort fighter."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

If the above is true, then why can our AH Bf110C, flown by JUGgler for example, out turn and beat a Spitfire?  

Wikipedia 

[LCADolby]

 

I love how Midway whines, someone get him some cheese for Christ sake.

[Rich46yo]

I dont think the 110 is worth a damn as a fighter in anyones hands.

I Love flying it, and its very useful, but c'mon? If you get killed by one whilst in a agile fighter then you did something wrong. Not counting vulches. I felt the same way about the IL2/F3 whinging.

[Midway]

Wikipedia 

If you'd take the time to look at the citation in the wiki article... you'll see it's legitimate.

"^ Weal 1999, pp. 47–48."

http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Messerschmitt-Bf-Zerstrer-Aces-World/John-Weal/9781855327535


Don't be so hasty as to disparage Wikipedia as a legitimate source of good information.

[Midway]

I dont think the 110 is worth a damn as a fighter in anyones hands.

I Love flying it, and its very useful, but c'mon? If you get killed by one whilst in a agile fighter then you did something wrong. Not counting vulches. I felt the same way about the IL2/F3 whinging.

You Sir, are wrong.  Fight JUGgler... or some other pilot that knows the 110c... you'll be shocked and awed.

[Tank-Ace]

The 190 is alleged to be more maneuverable than the 109, but the 109 out turns it. Given that the 110 rolls like a pile of poop, can't dive so well, and isn't very light at the controls....... I would say it isn't very maneuverable.


Turning isn't the only facet of maneuverability.

[Denniss]

The Bf 110 was never able to turn-fight with single engine a/c (unless very old ones). They were good in boom-and-zoom attacks and got many kills this way.
Göring's orders to fly close escort made them sitting ducks just like the bombers.

[Karnak]

The 190 is alleged to be more maneuverable than the 109, but the 109 out turns it. Given that the 110 rolls like a pile of poop, can't dive so well, and isn't very light at the controls....... I would say it isn't very maneuverable.


Turning isn't the only facet of maneuverability.

It rolls better than  the Bf109E or Spitfire Mk I as I recall.

[olds442]

You Sir, are wrong.  Fight JUGgler... or some other pilot that knows the 110c... you'll be shocked and awed.

You are humping JUGgler's ankle now? what happen did bruv fly a 109?

[nrshida]

Logic isn't your strong point is it Midway