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Re: He 111
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2013, 12:51:49 PM »
but it can climb to 15k faster than many other bombers.


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Re: He 111
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2013, 01:06:23 PM »
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Re: He 111
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2013, 01:15:08 PM »
Ju87, Lanc, B29,  :old:


Ju-87 is not a level bomber.

And the Lanc or the B-29? No. :)
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Re: He 111
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2013, 01:17:27 PM »
But Ju87 is a bomber ;)
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Re: He 111
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2013, 03:03:36 PM »

Ju-87 is not a level bomber.

And the Lanc or the B-29? No. :)

Please post the times from sea level to 15k of all three when loaded with their typical bomb load and fuel load.  My notes (to 12k, mind you) are showing a better or similar climb rate throughout, and better than the B24 and B29 at less than 10k.  I said 15k, I should have looked at my notes because I only tested to 12k.  As it stands the He 111 is no slouch when climbing, except above 12k.  Just to get to 20k where it can fly at its best speed (260-ish TAS), it only climbs 250ft a minute the last few thousand feet. 

Again... the He111 is a prime example of a more than adequate bomber that shines when the threat of enemy fighters is minimal.   
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Re: He 111
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2013, 03:32:44 PM »
Please post the times from sea level to 15k of all three when loaded with their typical bomb load and fuel load.


"Typical fuel load" is quite a vague term. Different players might have different ideas about that. What is a "typical" Lanc loadout ? 25%? 50% Is 75% a 'typical' fuel loadout for the B-29 (for me, it is).
When comparing capabilities, you ideally look to have some standard, in this case to select a fuel loadout that gives roughly equal endurance.

A He-111 with 8x250kg (4,400lbs) and 50% fuel (=1.1h) will climb to 15k in about 21 minutes from SL.
The B-26 (4,000lbs) and 100% fuel (=0.9h) - 15 minutes
Lancaster (14,000lbs), 50% fuel =(1.4h) - ~21 minutes
B-17 (6,000lbs), 50% fuel (=1.2h) - about 17 minutes
B-24 (8,000lbs), 50% fuel (=1h) - ~17 minutes
B-29 (14,000lbs), 50% fuel (=1.4h) - ~18 minutes. Even the heavy 8x2k loadout at 75% fuel (about 2h flight time) takes as much time to reach 15k as the much shorter ranged He-111

I think I can pass on posting Ki-67, G4M or Mossie data ;)

The He 111 is not a good climber for bombers at all, unless you are distorting the comparison by giving it a very light fuel loadout only suitable for very short ranged runs while loading up the other bombers with fuel for a  long range mission.


EDIT: Quick time vs altitude chart. 30 minuets of climbing time from seal level






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Re: He 111
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2013, 09:58:15 PM »
Well, I took it up for a sortie and given how it went I never have to do that again if I don't want to.  I can't really comment on how it climbed as I had my infant son on my lap for most of it (I was in F3 view when I put him close to the screen he tried to grab the He111 out of the screen), but just before I reached my target altitude of 15k an La-7 decided to attack me.  He 'cat'footed around a lot rather than just coming up my six which allowed me to ping him up a little to no apparent effect, but other than a fuel leak on a drone he didn't hurt me either.  Then he dove down and came up sharply from below and took his wing off on one of my planes on his FE, scratch one La-7 and score Karnak's required kill in an He111.  I bombed my first target from 15,500ft going full throttle at a whopping 215mph, this thing is SLOW.  I'm not sure even a Wellington would be this slow.  Just before I reached my second target an Fw190 started climbing to attack me and then I saw the second target was all bombed out so I changed course for a vfield in the hope that I might get lucky and beat the Fw190.  No such luck, he bored straight in, not even high enough to get above my rear gondola gun.  I pinged him the whole way in for no effect and he blew two of my He111s away.  Somebody else I never even saw got the third at the same time.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2013, 11:12:18 PM »
Well, I took it up for a sortie and given how it went I never have to do that again if I don't want to.  I can't really comment on how it climbed as I had my infant son on my lap for most of it (I was in F3 view when I put him close to the screen he tried to grab the He111 out of the screen), but just before I reached my target altitude of 15k an La-7 decided to attack me.  He 'cat'footed around a lot rather than just coming up my six which allowed me to ping him up a little to no apparent effect, but other than a fuel leak on a drone he didn't hurt me either.  Then he dove down and came up sharply from below and took his wing off on one of my planes on his FE, scratch one La-7 and score Karnak's required kill in an He111.  I bombed my first target from 15,500ft going full throttle at a whopping 215mph, this thing is SLOW.  I'm not sure even a Wellington would be this slow.  Just before I reached my second target an Fw190 started climbing to attack me and then I saw the second target was all bombed out so I changed course for a vfield in the hope that I might get lucky and beat the Fw190.  No such luck, he bored straight in, not even high enough to get above my rear gondola gun.  I pinged him the whole way in for no effect and he blew two of my He111s away.  Somebody else I never even saw got the third at the same time.


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Re: He 111
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2013, 11:57:07 PM »
Think it slow as is, wait till you lose an engine. :bhead
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Re: He 111
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2013, 12:16:59 AM »
Think it slow as is, wait till you lose an engine. :bhead

It is a great glider though. My lead lost all fuel tanks from a niki attack and both elevators. The niki left with a PW and dead motor. I was gliding without motors for a very long time. He died from the PW when I was still 11000ft up. I bailed the lead and took my other 2 home.

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Re: He 111
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2013, 12:22:09 AM »
It's slow, it's armament is crap, it's slow, it's weak, it's slow... need I go on?

It's one of my favored targets because as long as you stay away from the front of the bomber, there is little the guns can do to a P-47 at D500.

I will give it props that it is a great perk farmer. I went out one sortie and landed 10k damage, got 21 perks for it.

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Re: He 111
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2013, 12:37:44 AM »
About the 111, no surprises here...

Ok so now do we need a comparable Do-17 next or can we just get the UBER(?) he-177 yet?

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Re: He 111
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2013, 09:32:04 AM »
About the 111, no surprises here...

Ok so now do we need a comparable Do-17 next or can we just get the UBER(?) he-177 yet?


Ju188A-1 would be my personal choice.  Such a pretty airplane and I'd love the 20mm in the sleek top turret.

Others say Do217 or He177 though.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2013, 10:44:30 AM »
Others say Do217 (...)


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Re: He 111
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2013, 11:42:53 AM »

Which ones?

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