I'm so flying that Yak!!!!

[gyrene81]

Ok, the movie was I was saying earlier is "cross of iron" not "iron cross"

Ofcourse I meant save german armies in stalingrad when I said 'save stalingrad'
Why would you assume opposite? Best you two could find wrong was a gramatical 'ambiguity' to defeat my whole info? Lol
This is all from my phone btw. No internet to even play atm, kk.

sorry Franz, i'm not picking on you, really. it's not the grammatical ambiguity necessarily, but the appearance of utter nonsense in the way you post stuff. look up the lend-lease program from world war 2, especially the aid that was rendered to russia.

[Franz Von Werra]

Yeah, wiki lend-lease, signed march 1941. This when 'free stuff'  was sent.
Let alone, USA was allowing 'allied trade' for war materials of any kind.

Hail Erich Topp for sinking the USA escort destroyer Reuben James before pearl harbor!


Everything I said is fact, no need for your bashing Germany falitically everytime you have even an ambiguity leg to stand on.

[Motherland]

Let's for a moment note that while armories in the United States did produce Mosin Nagants for the Russian Empire during the First World War, no such contracts took place with the Soviets during the Second, and that by that point in time there were enough Mosin Nagants floating around for even Finland to arm its entire military with them. In fact the United States supplied the Soviet Union with approximately 0 small arms under the Lend Lease act.
The primary support that the Soviets got from us through lend lease was through supply/logistics vehicles, and to a lesser extent aircraft and armor.
Let's not pretend that every country didn't do their part in the dismantlement of the Third Reich.

[Ruah]

well, thats that. . .

this one is gonna make a few of us commies. . .

[Perrine]

And this Yak is as good as a K4? If that's true, this is going to suck for me.  

That doesn't sound like a K4 then if the performance is going to drop off at 13K. Possibly more like a LA ya think? But anyway I'm glad to see a new plane nonetheless.

imo Yak-3's contemporary irl would be the current 109G-14 or late model G-6 with MW-50 juice (not in game)... not the K-4.


  
I believe the K-4's were exclusive only in the western front.

As with Yak-3... imagine a Yak-9U but only lighter...  and i think it will have initial climbrate starting in the 4000s range... but it won't be as hot as the top dog climbers in game like the 109G-14 and Spit VIII/XVI.

I also speculate that Yak 3 will have climb rate characteristics like a Ki-84 constantly-running WEP.

No, the K4 should be faster, climb better, accelerate better at altitude.

The Yak-3 will be able to out turn it. Really, I'd imagine you would fight it the same way you fight a Spit 16, save for the fact that you need a larger head start to escape.

Unlike the merlin powered spitfires (similar engine torque characteristics as 109s) ... you can force a left-biased turn fight in a 109 (with flaps engaged and careful throttle mgmt) against Yaks and turn inside them.  

The Yaks can also turn tables against 109s by forcing right-biased turns.

[Franz Von Werra]

From wikipedia "lend-lease."
 In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks); 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food.[23]  

"License built" mein arse.
So, yes, INCLUDING STALIN'S LUNCH!!

Like I said before these haterz(?) showed up, all this stuff is what caught Germany by surprise, at the very time when Germany's armies were furthest away from home. Hitler and his high command kept assuming the Soviets were about to colapse.
The prob was USA's car assembly lines were now making everything a war needed - Summed up, never had so much stuff ever been delivered in the history of this earth.

[GScholz]

109G-14 or late model G-6 with MW-50 juice (not in game)

Same thing...

I believe the K-4's were exclusive only in the western front.

They weren't.

[Wmaker]

Can anyone shed some light as to why HTC would go with the -7B?  One would have thought that the -9T, -9U, and -3 would have been the main trio for them to use (1 each = EW, MW, LW).  One source shows the -7B as being the most numerous version built at over 5000, and the charts are showing similar performance to the -9T.  On target with this assessment?

Yak-7B's performance varied and changed significantly throughout its production. The speed data which is even faster than Yak-9T (~330mph / 530km/h on the deck) comes from the testing of Yak-7B c/n 3101 and only represents a very few of the latest production Yak-7Bs. Considering that the whole point of adding the 7B is to help fill a gaping hole of "1942" in the Soviet planeset, the speed is likely to be ~319mph (514km/h) on the deck. That figure is with the first significant improvements to the initial production 7B like the initial version of the M105PF engine. First PF engined Yak-7Bs reached front line in late summer of '42.

Speed chart:

[Rich46yo]

The reality is, it's very interesting how all of the Allied powers worked together in such a way. Now, if only we could get every country to work together like that without having a war to drive it...

It only happened because the alliance hated and feared the Germans more then we distrusted each other. Political ideology takes a back seat to survival instinct. The west needed the Soviets and visa-versa. Once that changed, and it did even before the end of the war, the entire thing began to unravel. Churchill especially hated and distrusted the Soviets and Roosevelt was no fool.

Some say we gave away the farm at Yalta but the truth is we did not. Even if we were contentious the result would have been the same so we might as well have hugged and kissed for the news papers.

And most of the trucks that drove into the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1941 had Ford or GM badges...

I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war. if I remember right even the famous Stalingrad tractor factory was run by American managers. Ford MoCo had huge contracts starting in the 30's, both for exports and for building under License.

1942 was the year Lend Lease really took off. Roosevelt himself kicked in the pants when he found out The War Dept. was hedging and hoarding cause they thought the Reds would lose for sure. But I do not know what sort of impact it had at Stalingrad. Besides Kursk was much more a turning point then Stalingrad was.

its interesting to note however that German production far outstripped Soviet production, quantity and quality, up to Stalingrad. The reds were quick to totally mobilize 100% on a war footing however. That and I think theres no doubt as a people they united and showed great courage.

[BBP]

YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK!!!!!

I went to a German WW2 site to get their view on the YAK3. It appears they were horribly afraid of the Yak. They taught their pilots to avoid all Yak confrontations except for the first model which only had  a small number produced.  That model had an oil filled cooling system which could easily be seen in the front. It wasn't as fast, couldn't go as high and had limited guns plus limited armament.  The Germans were ordered to stay away from the later model which was air cooled and a totally different plane in terms of performance. In an air battle their were 4 yaks against 16 109's. Not one Yak was shot down and 7 109's bit the dust. In another conflict their were 12 Yaks against 40 109's. 3 Yaks were shot down 12 109's were blown to pieces and 3 limped home useless.
The German command sent orders to all pilots. DO NOT ENGAGE ANY YAK BELOW 12,000 FEET which was their ceiling. The pilots were taught to FEAR the YAKS.

YOUR GONNA LOVE THESE YAKS...................AND YOU 109 LOVERS better invest in kleenex tissues and diapers....LMAO!

KIMO

[Karnak]

I recall the late war order being not to engage Yakolev fighters lacking the oil cooler under the nose below 5000 meters and not to engage Lavovhkin fighters below 4000 meters.

[Fruda]

From wikipedia "lend-lease."
 In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks); 11,400 aircraft and 1.75 million tons of food.[23]  

"License built" mein arse.
So, yes, INCLUDING STALIN'S LUNCH!!

Like I said before these haterz(?) showed up, all this stuff is what caught Germany by surprise, at the very time when Germany's armies were furthest away from home. Hitler and his high command kept assuming the Soviets were about to colapse.
The prob was USA's car assembly lines were now making everything a war needed - Summed up, never had so much stuff ever been delivered in the history of this earth.

Can't argue with insanity, so I won't continue.

Allies won, Nazis got stomped into prompt non-existence. I'm sure that makes you really unhappy, but that's life, kiddo.

[Fruda]

Yeah, wiki lend-lease, signed march 1941. This when 'free stuff'  was sent.
Let alone, USA was allowing 'allied trade' for war materials of any kind.

Hail Erich Topp for sinking the USA escort destroyer Reuben James before pearl harbor!


Everything I said is fact, no need for your bashing Germany falitically everytime you have even an ambiguity leg to stand on.

As a final post to you, nobody is bashing Germany, kid. Simply stating facts about the abhorrently awful Third Reich, which was rightfully pulverised by the Allies. Honestly, this post of yours pretty much shows your true colors, what with that comment about the sinking of the destroyer.

That's really special.

[Fruda]

It only happened because the alliance hated and feared the Germans more then we distrusted each other. Political ideology takes a back seat to survival instinct. The west needed the Soviets and visa-versa. Once that changed, and it did even before the end of the war, the entire thing began to unravel. Churchill especially hated and distrusted the Soviets and Roosevelt was no fool.

Some say we gave away the farm at Yalta but the truth is we did not. Even if we were contentious the result would have been the same so we might as well have hugged and kissed for the news papers.
I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war. if I remember right even the famous Stalingrad tractor factory was run by American managers. Ford MoCo had huge contracts starting in the 30's, both for exports and for building under License.

1942 was the year Lend Lease really took off. Roosevelt himself kicked in the pants when he found out The War Dept. was hedging and hoarding cause they thought the Reds would lose for sure. But I do not know what sort of impact it had at Stalingrad. Besides Kursk was much more a turning point then Stalingrad was.

its interesting to note however that German production far outstripped Soviet production, quantity and quality, up to Stalingrad. The reds were quick to totally mobilize 100% on a war footing however. That and I think theres no doubt as a people they united and showed great courage.

Yeah, truth on that. Funny thing is, Khrushchev made more than a few attempts at actual peace with the United States, but our distrust of the Soviets derailed pretty much any progress that could've been made. Not that they didn't make missteps on their own, either: the Berlin Wall was a huge mistake (interestingly enough, in Khrushchev's own autobiography, he admits to this, though also explains that it, however unfortunately, did what it was intended to do). Corn was a mistake, too, but his heart was certainly in the right place.

Right. Soviet production did begin to explode past Germany's after Stalingrad, but most German equipment was still of higher quality. We didn't really start to see high-quality Soviet production until after Stalin's death (which, honestly, was long overdue).

[Karnak]

Stalin was a horrid dictator, the Soviet government sucked, Soviet brutality was horrific.

I'd still fight for the Soviet Union before I fought for the Third Reich though.