I'm so flying that Yak!!!!

[GScholz]

I know American vehicle makers had a huge presence in the Soviet union even before the war.

Actually, I was referring to the trucks that crossed the border into the Soviet Union from Germany...


Like this Ford V3000

[Perrine]

YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK_YAK!!!!!

I went to a German WW2 site to get their view on the YAK3. It appears they were horribly afraid of the Yak. They taught their pilots to avoid all Yak confrontations except for the first model which only had  a small number produced.  That model had an oil filled cooling system which could easily be seen in the front. It wasn't as fast, couldn't go as high and had limited guns plus limited armament.  The Germans were ordered to stay away from the later model which was air cooled and a totally different plane in terms of performance. In an air battle their were 4 yaks against 16 109's. Not one Yak was shot down and 7 109's bit the dust. In another conflict their were 12 Yaks against 40 109's. 3 Yaks were shot down 12 109's were blown to pieces and 3 limped home useless.
The German command sent orders to all pilots. DO NOT ENGAGE ANY YAK BELOW 12,000 FEET which was their ceiling. The pilots were taught to FEAR the YAKS.

YOUR GONNA LOVE THESE YAKS...................AND YOU 109 LOVERS better invest in kleenex tissues and diapers....LMAO!

KIMO

Was supply of MW-50 that limited late in the war?  Was it limited only to few elite units?

If so then that explains later Yaks and LAV`s utter dominance and 109 and 190 being totally helpless  below 5000m late in the war.

[gyrene81]

Was supply of MW-50 that limited late in the war?  Was it limited only to few elite units?

If so then that explains later Yaks and LAV`s utter dominance and 109 and 190 being totally helpless  below 5000m late in the war.

when you're up against a plane that can out manuever you, is as fast or faster at 15,000ft and below, and can climb nearly as well, mw50 doesn't mean squat. there weren't a lot of k4s and d9s on the eastern front, they were heavily committed to the eto to fight the allied bombers.

[Motherland]

when you're up against a plane that can out manuever you, is as fast or faster at 15,000ft and below, and can climb nearly as well, mw50 doesn't mean squat. there weren't a lot of k4s and d9s on the eastern front, they were heavily committed to the eto to fight the allied bombers.

The MW-50 gives our 109G a pretty significant climb and speed boost. Without it our G is significantly slower than the Yak9U and with it it's about the even the whole way through the altitude spectrum. I don't know how well the Yak-3 will climb in comparison but certainly the MW-50 gives the Gustav a much needed edge.

[Perrine]

The MW-50 gives our 109G a pretty significant climb and speed boost. Without it our G is significantly slower than the Yak9U and with it it's about the even the whole way through the altitude spectrum.

Here's the plane the Yak-3 most likely fought against in the East on equal terms... if filled with MW-50 late in the war.

Picture a -9U as a Yak 3 below... but only a few mph slower

I don't know how well the Yak-3 will climb in comparison but certainly the MW-50 gives the Gustav a much needed edge.

Word is that yak 3 will have slight advantage in climb over -9U, and I speculate Yak 3's climb rate at full throttle with no wep will almost mirror that of in-game Ki-84 running at full wep sans 70-second limit.

Ignore the Ki-84 MIL power.  Focus on the Ki-84 WEP and imagine that's a Yak-3 at 100% throttle.








Yep, a late 109G-6 filled with MW-50 (what a G-14 essentially is)  is more than a equalizer vs Yak-3

[titanic3]

I wonder how it would handle at slow speeds? Hopefully without the weird stall that the Yak9s have.

[BBP]

You can compare all you like! Mr. Pirrine

But until we see how HTC has modeled the YAK3 none of those charts matter. Your comparing apples to oranges to avocados and olives.

Sorry but it just don't matter.

We just have to wait and see.

KIMO

[Volron]

Time will tell.  Sooner or later, time will tell.

 

[Perrine]

You can compare all you like! Mr. Pirrine

But until we see how HTC has modeled the YAK3 none of those charts matter. Your comparing apples to oranges to avocados and olives.

Sorry but it just don't matter.

We just have to wait and see.

KIMO

The aces high charts i posted above... is closer than you think

So I called it... Yak 3 powered by Klimov M-105PF-2 will basically have:
1) Yak-9U's speed profile but a few mph slower, and
2) Ki-84's WEP (as if it's running constant and no imposed limits...) initial climb rate  
3) In the feel-of-the-flight department, i'd say it will be less front-heavy compared to yak-9U

Speed



Climb
Focus on the Ki-84 WEP and imagine that's a Yak-3 at 100% throttle.

[Franz Von Werra]

So, 1939, Germany invades western Poland and got their land back, Danzig Corridor etc, from legitimate 'territoial disputes and claims' and so England and France declare war. GERMANY WAS STILL WITHIN THEIR OLD PRE WW1 BORDERS.
England / France don't actually attck tho, Germans called this time period 'sitzkreig.'
England / France still had possesion of German's pre ww1 collonies. Possesion of stole property.
Etc etc etc... lots of post ww1 attrocities by allieds.

Not two weeks later, Russia invades eastern Poland, and England / France don't declare war.  

Later on, Germany invades Russia, finds mass graves, including 15,000 masacred Polish officers. Germany offers full 109 escort to any 'international' Red Cross inspectors, but it gets denied by allieds.

After the war, eastern europe countries are not returned to the individual countries' governments, so the phrase "western betrayal' becomes an attitude.
Look up the song 'New dawn fades' by polish group Moby, the version from unrelated movie 'Heat' is best...
"Still occupied though you forget"
How about that Polish gerneral that was leading 'free Polish' armies along side allied armies, the guy was upset about the 15,000 etc, and he has 'an accident' on the way to a meeting, Malta was it? He was executed!
This is recent stuff, the guy wanted to be burried in a 'free Poland' and so late 90s(?) his grave gets moved to Poland, major news at the time.

Soooo, I'm not going to say, come to your own conclusions.
Oh, and Germany 'losing' is relavent, they took plenty of their enemies with them,  and I'm sure this makes Fruda "unhappy!"
Ok "kiddo"  

[Debrody]

...

Who are you fighting against?

[Motherland]

So, 1939, Germany invades western Poland and got their land back, Danzig Corridor etc, from legitimate 'territoial disputes and claims' and so England and France declare war. GERMANY WAS STILL WITHIN THEIR OLD PRE WW1 BORDERS.

Again it should be noted that this is factually incorrect, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact resulted in German possession of territories that never belonged to the German Empire and some which I don't think ever even belonged to Prussia at the high water mark of its eastern borders.
Although alternative history from the board's resident Hollywood-educated Nazi-apologist is always entertaining.

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Wow that's actually a pretty significant jump in climb rate from the 9U to the 3. Considering the 3 does have a lower HP engine and such a higher HP/weight ratio apparently, presumably the same wing, elevator and aileron area though I don't know, it should be really interesting to see how it handles.

[Volron]

it should be really interesting to see how it handles.

In my case, from the air into the ground.

[Franz Von Werra]

About "soviet supply poduction exploding past germanys"

Again, lend lease in full swing - usa made, usa paid all in russia.
Also, german armies were furthest from home.
Also USA BOMBERS exploding german factories from 30,000ft, so less production.

Fruda, why soooooooo much bias against the Reich?  


Educational purposes, now they might exume the Polish General, and I guess it was 22,000 captured officers masacred.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Poland's+WWII+leader+to+be+exhumed+in+assassination+probe-a01611710257

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Whenever reading soviet "reports" i.e. propaganda on aerial victories one should take it with two grains of salt. Soviets bloated their reports intentionally to avoid being sent to gulags.

For example if you believed Soviet reports on warfare on Finnish front, the whole FAF would have been killed 3 times over. I guess FAF had AH2 planes with instant respawn ability...