Bring on the Hos

[MK-84]

A ho is a perfectly legitimate tactic.  It is allowed in game, it was historically done, measures can be done to avoid it. Certain situations would call for this to be a superior tactic.
If you are one of the ones complaining, you are the problem.  You do not understand the game, you do not understand aircraft armor and armament, and you clearly know nothing about tactics, or maneuvering. If you are thinking that a fight in the MA is some kind of chivalrous duel where you toast your enemy afterwards you are mistaken. There are other ways to do that if that is how you want to play.

Of course it seems from flying in the MA all the "non ho'ers" make an exception when I am flying a 262.  Because EVERYONE will HO if given half an opportunity.  So it is apparently wrong to do, except when there is an exception to the rule.  Wait...what?

So it must be the 262 is so awesome it is totally ok to kill one with a HO...even if you think it is wrong.  Makes sense, a 262 is superior to any aircraft.

But it is wrong (as an example) for a slow heavy and poorly maneuvering 190A8 to HO a fast, nimble Spit 16....   That does not make sense because a Spit 16 is superior to a 190A8.
Here is a new word to add to your vocabulary for alot of you out there    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

[Arlo]

Good post. 

[titanic3]

A ho is a perfectly legitimate tactic.  It is allowed in game, it was historically done, measures can be done to avoid it. Certain situations would call for this to be a superior tactic.
If you are one of the ones complaining, you are the problem.  You do not understand the game, you do not understand aircraft armor and armament, and you clearly know nothing about tactics, or maneuvering. If you are thinking that a fight in the MA is some kind of chivalrous duel where you toast your enemy afterwards you are mistaken. There are other ways to do that if that is how you want to play.

Of course it seems from flying in the MA all the "non ho'ers" make an exception when I am flying a 262.  Because EVERYONE will HO if given half an opportunity.  So it is apparently wrong to do, except when there is an exception to the rule.  Wait...what?

So it must be the 262 is so awesome it is totally ok to kill one with a HO...even if you think it is wrong.  Makes sense, a 262 is superior to any aircraft.

But it is wrong (as an example) for a slow heavy and poorly maneuvering 190A8 to HO a fast, nimble Spit 16....  That does not make sense because a Spit 16 is superior to a 190A8.
Here is a new word to add to your vocabulary for alot of you out there   http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

Your post may apply to some, but here's how I see it.

Everyone (including myself) will HO a 262 because usually, it is the only chance you have at killing one short of a lucky ping from 800 yards out or take off/landing. When you're in a 190A8 going against a Spit16, a 190A8 will usually HO because usually, that will be the only chance it has. I personally don't HO unless its a last ditch effort, ie, I'm pilot wounded or half a wing and know I'll die anyway. However, if you HO me and miss, bet your butt next merge you're getting shot at.

As for your point on the "non Hoers" having no knowledge on tactics...well, I'm sure more than a few, including myself are willing to put that to the test. The issue here isn't whether HOibg is right or wrong, this whole argument began because Arlo didnt believe that a HO can be unavoidable. The results are on page 4.

[Arlo]

Everyone (including myself) will HO a 262 because usually, it is the only chance you have at killing one short of a lucky ping from 800 yards out or take off/landing.

Vas is das? Ping und powing mine uberschturmbirdie?



Das ist not mine afterburner!



Oof, mien windows bloodymesserhoffen!

 

[Brooke]

There used to be a game wherein HO/front shots didn't work, they just wouldn't connect. As a result players in that game who learned to be good in 190s and p51s were very good, and when they came over to aces high they cleaned house.

Air Warrior had a hit bubble.  Instead of hits being calculated on particular parts of the aircraft as in aces high, there was a sphere around an aircraft and probability of hitting depended on whether you hit the front half or back half of the sphere.  Front shots had an enormously lower probability of damage.

Air Warrior pilots making the transition often were good in acm, but gunnery took a lot of getting used to.

[titanic3]

I probably should've bolded "usually". Reading comprehension fails you yet again Mr. Arlo. I'm pretty sure everyone who flew for a decent amount of time has their own set of 262 kills similar to yours, including everyone in this thread probably.

[Arlo]

The Air Warrior frontal cone of invulnerability. I remember those forum dis-cuss-ions. I think
I recall some ramming concerns voiced. I don't recall Kelton's responses but I think it was
probably a case of the veterans in the community suggesting avoidance technique. That may
be where I first picked up on such.  

[Arlo]

I probably should've bolded "usually". Reading comprehension fails you yet again Mr. Arlo. I'm pretty sure everyone who flew for a decent amount of time has their own set of 262 kills similar to yours, including everyone in this thread probably.

Nope, I'm still good. Carry on. 

[Ruah]

Well your definition seems very narrow. What if two aircraft are merging on a convergent course, and one turns away slightly to avoid the HO / ram and the other shoots. Is this a HO?

Secondly when engaged already with one or more cons, and another one comes into the fray, you have insufficient airspeed to pull G out of a guns solution and get shot in the face, is that a HO?


I think yes in both cases (and know many who think likewise) and in both cases only one aircraft has a guns solution.

I will answer that:

1) yes - especially if the opponent has actually started a merge (intention to fight), then it should be assumed that you can also now merge properly and begin the fight.  Of course, after that, its really all game really. . .

2) Quantity - this is to say that for some, being in a 1v2 is seen as a disadvantage and will engage in HOing - this in my opinion is correct since the opposing two airplanes should have a massive ACM advantage (a strong pair can take 6 to 8 single-files) and don't need to accept any ho.  Conversely, those who HO when at a numeric advantage are real prettythang' imo. . .

it is about class basically, if you lack grace and a sense of sportsmanship then that is fine - but recognize that that is not skill.

Skill is grace in combat and a sense of sportsmanship - this is a video game after all. . .

Overall I don't HO because I think I have more then a 50% chance (well in the planes I fly. . .20%   ) against most people. . . and if I don't, then I welcome the challenge.

[HL117]

If you are thinking that a fight in the MA is some kind of chivalrous duel where you toast your enemy afterwards you are mistaken. There are other ways to do that if that is how you want to play.

I then am mistaken, I will seek the above types out in the MA and have a great time of it for as long as it last, there are many here who seek the same type engagements. Any two weeker can lift a craft off the ground and point the nose at another plane pull the trigger, rinse and repeat, little skill is needed for that, many will chalk you up as a noob or a no skill wonder if your every merge or every other merge is a HO attempt, regardless of your skill level, which I tend to concur with but then again we types are mistaken so no harm no foul, sorry been palying many moons and I doubt this belief will change.

A choice of game play MK -84, yours is one I choose not to participate in........but may have to endure when are paths cross ingame.

[Arlo]

Any two weeker can lift a craft off the ground and point the nose at another plane pull the trigger, rinse and repeat, little skill is needed for that, many will chalk you up as a noob or a no skill wonder if your every merge or every other merge is a HO attempt, regardless of your skill level, which I tend to concur with but then again we types are mistaken so no harm no foul, sorry been palying many moons and I doubt this belief will change.

I may suggest, however, not presuming that those who aren't prone to complain or condemn
head-on attacks (even poke at those who are prone to such) are two-weekers who got
nothing but HOing on their resume'.

Most of us are just anti-whiners who see whining as more detrimental than the subject
matter of the whine.

 

[Arlo]

Arlo didnt believe that a HO can be unavoidable. The results are on page 4.

Even you admit they are avoidable outside the 1k window. And I still have a good percentage at the 1k window then the opponent doesn't expect a dodge. If I recall, you started out by claiming that a HO cannot be avoided no matter what ... then backed off if it was at 2k or so. I was cocky about the 1k range in a 'test' setting. I admit that.  

But ... bottom line ... those whining that HOs and RAMS can never be avoided and that it's the end of civilized AH due to such if we don't berate and whine on 200 or through PMs or on the forum .... well, that kinda uptightness requires meds or getting laid or something. The easiest 'code' to follow is the physical code of the game.

[nrshida]

I was cocky...

That's not like you Arlo, perhaps you were having an off day.

[Arlo]

That's not like you Arlo, perhaps you were having an off day.

Eh, what can I say? Didn't hug a tree. Forgot to pray for the whales. It was fun but I'm
not all that sure it proved what DrTitan thought it did. All it seemed to prove is that the
110 is a stable and gunned up platform and if someone keeps their face pointed at it
at 1k or less it makes for a good HOride. The artful dodger tends to have more success
then the other guy isn't expecting a dodge ... BUT ... I knew what I was getting into and
props to the doc. 3 for 3. He got the cookie, not me.  

[nrshida]

Indeed. I think I recall you said something about a humility test