Bring on the Hos

[Arlo]

Indeed. I think I recall you said something about a humility test  

And I do believe I came straight to this thread and offered my complete and utter admiration
for the 3-ho-in-a-row-run.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m7mIy97_rlo

  

[nrshida]

And I do believe I came straight to this thread and offered my complete and utter admiration
for the 3-ho-in-a-row-run. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m7mIy97_rlo

  

  I do admire your irrepressibility.

[LilMak]

Waiting till you're 1k to attempt to avoid a HO is the equivalent of waiting till someone is 300 off your 6 to start evading.

[nrshida]

...waiting till someone is 300 off your 6 to start evading.

Why wasn't I told this earlier? 

[Arlo]

Waiting till you're 1k to attempt to avoid a HO is the equivalent of waiting till someone is 300 off your 6 to start evading.

Makes me wish I'd kept film from the 2nd and 3rd frames of the Typhoon FSO. 109s vs I-16s. There were more HO passes
from Messerschmidts than Carter has little liver pills, usually with a lead then their wingie, one after the other. Apparently
it makes a difference if they don't expect you to dodge or they aren't Titan.  

Did keep a few pics. None of them show the guns blazing on the pass, though.  







Actually, looking at them, I think those are three perspectives of the  same pass.

[nrshida]

my complete and utter admiration for the 3-ho-in-a-row-run.  

Just to round this off I'd like to say that in my experience TitanMD gives a clean and skillful fight and was at no point endorsing the HO in this 'discussion'.

[Arlo]

Just to round this off I'd like to say that in my experience TitanMD gives a clean and skillful fight and was at no point endorsing the HO in this 'discussion'.

I don't think anyone in the thread was confused about the potential for such other than TitanMD, himself.
It was obvious that the DA HO test was intended to prove to the community his claim that any skilled
pilot intent on 'ho-ramming' (I was told by Titan in the DA that anyone that's been playing the game for ten
plus years should be familiar with this marriage of terms) WILL always succeed at such. It appears that this
is to support a case for community 'policing' (read - berating on 200, PMing endlessly, creating threads about,
compiling lists of, hunting down) anyone perceived as breaking this 'established' code of honor. And that's
supposed to make the game better. Like it 'used to be.' 



 

[nrshida]

Different factions believe different things about what constitutes good gameplay. Sometimes players move factions according to who was doing what to whom. 

[RotBaron]

To me, I consider it an attempted HO if I'm headed toward an enemy and from the time I see him, all I see is -o-, and at around 1000 yards I start hearing gunfire as I do my avoidance thing.  If I'd so chosen, I could've put my pipper on him and returned fire.
Wiley.

I don't know what you mean by -o-...

But the amount of peeps in this game saying that they didn't HO you right after they just did is just too funny. It would appear most of these guys either don't want to admit it on 200 and therefore have it be known as their first choice of attack. Or it is a possibility that they aren't quite intelligent enough to figure out the geometry behind said engagement. It's a near guarantee that this will happen when a con comes in from either a couple turns with him or from bouncing above. As you stated, if I can get my pipper around on them, yet choose not to do it because I don't want to shoot them in the face, IT IS A HO to me. But when I say nice HO, the response is almost always along the lines of, HO??? I was going for rudder shot, or I was shooting the back of your plane how could it be a HO? Yeah that's why I have radiator hits, blood and poof - because of tail shots...It's even funnier when they say the didn't HO because of their position, they were inverted...lmao.


Lead turns are great, right up until your first lead turn to avoid HO puts you squarely in the path of another 2-5 HO'ers by different bish cons. Yes, I put myself there...but in this case it's not even the HO as a conscious choice, its the desperation for a killl that they have to HO him before the other does cause there are 5 of them here and won't get a kill this sortie...

[Arlo]

Different factions believe different things about what constitutes good gameplay. Sometimes players move factions according to who was doing what to whom. 

Factions?  This isn't political to me. This is obvious to me. 

[nrshida]

This is obvious to me. 

That's because you are blessed with a perfect sense of the difference between what is correct and what everyone else thinks. Have you met GScholz yet?

[Arlo]

That's because you are blessed with a perfect sense of the difference between what is correct and what everyone else thinks. Have you met GScholz yet?

Online? Of course. I appreciate the blessing you share with the community with your comparative skill and whatnot.
I'll try to keep that in mind while you judge my judgementalness.   

[nrshida]

Well it has been edifying talking with you in at least one regard Arlo: I thought that in Texas the largest hat available was a ten-gallon. Now I know for sure they must go right up to at least twenty. Splendid! 

[Arlo]

Well it has been edifying talking with you in at least one regard Arlo: I thought that in Texas the largest hat available was a ten-gallon. Now I know for sure they must go right up to at least twenty. Splendid!  

Well, perception is one's reality, it's been said. I'll have to remember that my not buying into the whole 'lets whine about how other players play the game' thing somehow trips your 'boy what an ego you got' switch.

[nrshida]

Well, perception is one's reality, it's beem said. I'll have to remember that my not buying into the whole 'lets whine about how other players play the game' thing somehow trips your 'boy what an ego you got' switch.

Perhaps I have overestimated the capacity of your hat. I have not asked you to buy into the 'don't HO school' nor have I 'whined' about it. I just didn't agree with your exceedingly narrow definition of it which seemed to me to be more a definition of 'Pipper On' than 'Head On'.

This didn't trigger any switch. I should have thought your ego, as you've called it, was rather apparent to everybody.