Bf109 G14 issues

[jeffdn]

I've been doing some research, an it seems that the G14 that we have in the game is slower and tuned for lower altitude operations than the real G14. In game, we have a maximum speed of about 405mph at 17,000ft, while in reality the G14 maxed out at 422mph at 24,600 ft, which is a large difference. Is there a reason for this? Additionally, there were 30mm gun pods with mk108 cannon available for late model 109Gs, can we please have those as well?

Any insight would be much appreciated.

[olds442]

I've been doing some research, an it seems that the G14 that we have in the game is slower and tuned for lower altitude operations than the real G14. In game, we have a maximum speed of about 405mph at 17,000ft, while in reality the G14 maxed out at 422mph at 24,600 ft, which is a large difference. Is there a reason for this? Additionally, there were 30mm gun pods with mk108 cannon available for late model 109Gs, can we please have those as well?

Finally, why don't we have the Erla Haube canopy in the late model 109G and in the 109K4?

Any insight would be much appreciated.

Yea about 8,000ft of altitude....

[jeffdn]

Yea about 8,000ft of altitude....

Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you not have strong reading comprehension? Above 17,000ft, the maximum speed of our in-game G14 declines. In real life, it keeps getting higher through 24,600 ft. The speed curve should look more like that of a K4.

[Devil 505]

Finally, why don't we have the Erla Haube canopy in the late model 109G and in the 109K4?

They do have that canopy. The G-2 and G-6 have the standard 109 canopy.

[jeffdn]

They do have that canopy. The G-2 and G-6 have the standard 109 canopy.

Gotcha, I must've misunderstood the differences. I'll edit it out. Thanks!

[Karnak]

I think you may be comparing the Bf109G-14 to the Bf109G-14/AS.  The later was powered by the higher blown DB 605AS(M) as opposed to the former's lower blown DB 605A(M).

As I recall our Bf109G-14 didn't hit the speeds it should have, but it wasn't that far off.

I would very much like to see the Bf109G-6/AS added to AH or, failing that, the Bf109G-14 changed to be a Bf109G-14/AS.

[EagleDNY]

What you find in the G14 is that there are various engine setups placed in it from May of 44 through May of 45.   The later engined models had the better high altitude performance.   They are all DB605s, but it makes a difference whether you have the:

DB605A(M) - straight up with the MW50 boost equipment
DB605AS(M) - with the larger DB603 supercharger and the MW50
DB605ASB(M) - with the larger DB603 supercharger, the MW50, altitude optimized with B4 fuel.
DB605ASC(M) - with the larger DB603 supercharger, the MW50, altitude optimized for the C3 higher-octane fuel.

I always figured our AH G14 as a early model one without the high-altitude boost, not that I wouldn't mind having one of the better motor setups.  

[jeffdn]

I would very much like to see the Bf109G-6/AS added to AH or, failing that, the Bf109G-14 changed to be a Bf109G-14/AS.

Either or both would be most welcome! There is a dearth of German birds with satisfactory high-alt performance in the game 

I always figured our AH G14 as a early model one without the high-altitude boost, not that I wouldn't mind having one of the better motor setups. 

Agreed!

[Karnak]

Either or both would be most welcome! There is a dearth of German birds with satisfactory high-alt performance in the game  
Agreed!

This is a problem with 1943/early-mid 1944 USAAF 8th Air Force vs the Luftwaffe settings and I consider it to be the single biggest hole in the German planeset.

As an RAF fan I would like a high blown Mossie fighter for MA purposes, but in terms of historical settings the RAF doesn't really need more high alt aircraft all that much.

[olds442]

Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you not have strong reading comprehension? Above 17,000ft, the maximum speed of our in-game G14 declines. In real life, it keeps getting higher through 24,600 ft. The speed curve should look more like that of a K4.

Nope just a misunderstanding. Sorry im not as pro as you.

[jeffdn]

This is a problem with 1943/early-mid 1944 USAAF 8th Air Force vs the Luftwaffe settings and I consider it to be the single biggest hole in the German planeset.

As an RAF fan I would like a high blown Mossie fighter for MA purposes, but in terms of historical settings the RAF doesn't really need more high alt aircraft all that much.

Totally agree. The Ta-152 is great, but there were 109s that filled that role for a much longer time and in much higher numbers. I'd also love a high-alt Mosquito, also for bomber hunting.

Nope just a misunderstanding. Sorry im not as pro as you.

Roger.

[Tank-Ace]

I've always wondered why HTC chose to only model the low altitude 109's. Was it that the G-10 used to fill the place of the earlier high-altitude 109's  in scenarios?

[SIK1]

I've always wondered why HTC chose to only model the low altitude 109's. Was it that the G-10 used to fill the place of the earlier high-altitude 109's  in scenarios?

Uh K4. Have you looked at the K4's high alt performance?

[Tank-Ace]

Uh K4. Have you looked at the K4's high alt performance?

IIRC, the K4 is a 'low-alt' model of the K-series 109 (being a relative term with the K's), as well as being a standard K-4, as opposed to a specialized high-alt version (odd-numbered 109's are high-altitude versions as well).

[SIK1]

IIRC, the K4 is a 'low-alt' model of the K-series 109 (being a relative term with the K's), as well as being a standard K-4, as opposed to a specialized high-alt version (odd-numbered 109's are high-altitude versions as well).

That maybe so but it is still more than able to hold it's own in a fight at high altitude against almost anything else in the plane set.