P-63 KingCobra......again

[Arlo]

they do because Combat is the criteria, not "got a kill". If combat meant ground support then his point is, add it based on that, and if people mostly use it as a fighter, than it will be the same as many AH planes that are used differently then how they were used in the war.

Aye. The Storch was modeled, after-all.

I'm seeing my case for the Sparviero growing in this thread.  

[Saxman]

thank you ack. I just think the plane will add more to the game (usage, fun) than some of the gap fillers so I would but on the next vote list. 

Yeah, because there's not enough late-war monsters to choose from.

It's called a "Gap Filler" because it fills a hole that needs plugging.

[Arlo]

 

[Ack-Ack]

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There is one major hole in your proposed plane set.  It is lacking the P-38H and until you add it, your list will not be valid.

ack-ack

[Arlo]

There is one major hole in your proposed plane set.  It is lacking the P-38H and until you add it, your list will not be valid.

ack-ack

Replace the Invader? (It was a compromise with the Invader wishers.) 

[Arlo]

[Saxman]

You're also missing:

Yak-1
SB2C
B-25J
J2M
Ki-44
F4F-3

Also, aircraft that would be very useful for FSO/Scenarios:

A5M
Ki-27
Ki-21
Gloster Gladiator
I-15
I-153
Hawk 75
M.S.406
D.520
CAC Boomerang

Oh, not to mention updating the Tempest, F4F-4/FM-2, B-26 and the other aircraft that are still AH1 standard.

Every single one of these should be well ahead of the P-63.

[Arlo]

Also, aircraft that would be very useful for FSO/Scenarios:

I-15
I-153
Hawk 75
M.S.406
D.520
CAC Boomerang

Which scenarios are the above a/c needed for gap filling?

Keeping it to 18 (and the top one doesn't reflect the Lagg someone suggested and I added.

My list isn't related to model updates. 

[Butcher]

Here's a list I would like added (with no priority):

P-63
Ki-27
Yak-1
Mig-3
LaGG-3
Tu-2
P38H
Beaufighter
SB2C
TBD-1
Ki-44
J2M
MS.406
D.520
Hawk 75
A5M
Gloster Gladiator
G.55
Re.2005
Re.2000
G.50
Meteor
P-61
Do 17 / 217
Wellington X
B25-J
Whitley
Ki.61 Series
Ki.49
Ki.21
Barracuda
Firefly, Fulmer
Fw-190a3
D4Y
and my brains dead, i know there are others (romanian) I just cant think of on top of my head, but if I had to choose what I want in game right now - G55, D.520, Lagg3 would be my picks, knowing me I'd go for anything EW or MW before anything else.

[Saxman]

Which scenarios are the above a/c needed for gap filling?

Keeping it to 18 (and the top one doesn't reflect the Lagg someone suggested and I added.

My list isn't related to model updates.  

I-15 and I-153 were widely used on the Eastern Front until more advanced machines were available in sufficient numbers, not to mention the Sino-Japanese conflict.

M.S.406 and D.520: Battle of France.

Hawk 75: Battle of France, Continuation War/Early Eastern Front, Sino-Japanese conflict and other early Pacific Theater engagements (Dutch East Indies, Commonwealth, Pearl Harbor scenario, etc.).

CAC Boomerang: Various PTO scenarios involving Australian forces.

And why limiting it to 18 when there's well more than 18 aircraft to add?

[Megalodon]

Beauty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=397VAdFVv3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUuhLD6pQFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY2BGYMAYxo

[Arlo]

I-15 and I-153 were widely used on the Eastern Front until more advanced machines were available in sufficient numbers, not to mention the Sino-Japanese conflict. (We've got the I-16 and the Yak-3 now. The SJ conflict is like the SCW. They're just not quite here yet. I'd like to see them myself but the community rejects 'non-WWII/pre-WWII' stuff.)*

M.S.406 and D.520: Battle of France. (Retreat of France - not much battle.)**

Hawk 75: Battle of France, Continuation War/Early Eastern Front, Sino-Japanese conflict and other early Pacific Theater engagements (Dutch East Indies, Commonwealth, Pearl Harbor scenario, etc.). * and **

CAC Boomerang: Various PTO scenarios involving Australian forces. (I haven't seen engagements where the ANZACs weren't using P-40s and such with the Boomerang being slotted for the trainer/home defense role.)

And why limiting it to 18 when there's well more than 18 aircraft to add? (Because even 18 may be a bit overwhelming a wish to add to HTC's plate. I'd actually like to see players supporting a list he would take seriously as a year long project.)

Response in quote area in blue. However, that doesn't mean I'm not open to further discussion. 

[Saxman]

1) The Yak-3 was a 1944 bird, at least according to Wiki's service date. Also, if you're going to rule out anything that entered service prior to WWII, you'd actually be eliminating a couple machines ALREADY in game (F4F-4, P-40B and possibly the E, P-39D, B-25C, Hurricane Mk.I, possibly the Spit I, possibly the Boston III, and the He-111H depending on which exact variant it is off the top of my head). So you can't discard those aircraft for being pre-WWII designs without taking a look at others already here.

2) The Battle of France still saw a LOT of combat. The M.S.406 and D.520 scored a couple hundred aerial victories with a reasonable kill/loss ratio prior to the French surrender, and continued seeing combat with Vichy squadrons on the Axis side afterwards.

3) The Hawk saw action in three theaters (Europe, Pacific, and China-Burma-India) and on multiple fronts. Even if replaced by more capable machines as they became available, that's still a lot of combat in the early years of the war.

[Arlo]

On a list of the next 50 aircraft AHII needs to have modeled .... where do you put these?

[Saxman]

Middle of the pack. Somewhere below more significant gaps (F4F-3, Ki-44, Ki-45, TBD-1, SB2C, Yak 1, MiG-3, Beaufighter, B6N, D4Y, etc.) but above adding more to the already-crowded Late War fighter (to allow for the late-war Helldiver, which is a pretty gaping hole for the USN) set.

Oh, could also use an early B-17 (probably F since that was the second most-produced variant) since the G was never deployed to the PTO and is out of place in that setting.