P-63 KingCobra......again

[Oldman731]

The Kingcobra will not be a late war monster, its armament will prevent it from becoming an "easy mode"  plane for noobs, and experts alike. It will be flown by fans only.

Heard the same about the Yak-3.  Does anyone know how that's working out?

New planes are always good, but I'm with Saxman - and the others like him - who think that there are already plenty of late-war monsters.

- oldman

[Vinkman]

Heard the same about the Yak-3.  Does anyone know how that's working out?

New planes are always good, but I'm with Saxman - and the others like him - who think that there are already plenty of late-war monsters.

- oldman

P-63 will be more like the the Yak-9T.   How many of those do you see?
EVERYONE said they would fly the Yak3 and wanted it because it was a late war Monster. And it is getting quite a bit of use. Although it is dropping steadily as folks find is doesn't have enough Ammo or killing power. 

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I try to mix scenario aircraft and MA aircraft into my requested aircraft, but I always favor historically significant units over irrelevant units.

In my opinion the P-63 is right behind the Meteor Mk III in significance.  Both have the advantage that they would be MA units, but both would also be perked, which reduces that advantage somewhat.

For the time being I see many other aircraft as being more important to add, both MA and scenario aircraft.  Guppy mentioned the TBD as being so narrow as to not be worth adding, but the Japanese are saddled with their equivalent to the TBD even in 1945 scenarios, so the B6N and/or D4Y would be good scenario additions.  The Tu-2 would be an excellent MA addition and a good scenario addition.  The Beaufighter and SM.79-II would be good scenario addions.  The Ki-44-II and J2M3 would be decent scenario and MA additions.  We desperately need the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

Once we have things like those out of the way, then maybe the Meteor Mk III, P-63, He162 and B7A2 might be good additions.

In my opinion.

if p63 will be modelled I guess Yak3p will come together with it in Manchuria scenario ( and late war arena, perked).
3d model is already there, p63 is not.

[Saxman]

You use the word need when you mean want. Why does the game need planes that will be hangar queens? Why do you want planes just to "fill holes in line ups"?  That's the weakest argument for adding a plane.

Because some people notice there's these other arenas called "Early War," "Mid War," "AvA" and "Special Events." LWMA is only ONE part of the game.

[Butcher]

Frankly, this thread is all about trying to justify adding another Late War monster to an arena already oversaturated with them, and one that has ZERO use outside the Mains at that.

The P-63 is nowhere NEAR as important to add to the plane set as the "gap fillers" for that very reason alone.

This thread went from "it doesn't meet the criteria! dont add it!" to "Well its a late war  monster, bottom of the list!" I am simply defending the fact the P-63 deserves to be added in the game as the next aircraft. What I mean is it meets the criteria to be added, now in my opinion I completely agree with you
that we don't need late war monsters just to fill the main arena. But some are shooting down the P-63 just because its a late war monster. We just got the Yak-3 which is both a Late war filler AND it fills a planet set for the russians in scenarios.
The P-63 would be used in the same fashion for late war scenarios, so it doesn't automatically make it useless in scenarios.

However I do agree without a doubt, there are many other rides that need to be at the top of the list. Wellington X and Beaufighter are two I can think of that served the British quite well in multiple theaters and did its job wonderfully. But I think we are running out of multiple theater aircrafts other then the D.520.

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I saw 6 guys in Mid war once .... must be a record...

Because some people notice there's these other arenas called "Early War," "Mid War," "AvA" and "Special Events." LWMA is only ONE part of the game.

[Saxman]

But some are shooting down the P-63 just because its a late war monster.

No, I'm shooting it down because ALL it would be is another LWMA monster. And that's because:

The P-63 would be used in the same fashion for late war scenarios.

Only it wouldn't, because the ONE scenario the P-63 would get used for based on the information provided on its service would be the August Storm setting run in FSO a couple years ago. Contrast the Hawk 75 which would be used for:

Battle of France
Pretty much every Eastern Front scenario involving the Finns over the first half of the war
Rangoon/Manchuria/Flying Tigers
The Pearl Harbor snapshot
Dutch East Indies

The P-63 would have virtually no life outside the Main Arenas.

[Karnak]

Just out of curiosity why do we 'desperately need' the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS?

To me that's a bit like 'desperately needing' a Spitfire XII, Spitfire LFVc and a Seafire LFIIIc and probably a true full span wing Spitfire LFIX.  Would it be nice?  Sure.  Desperate for them....not so sure

It is a bit different.  The Mighty Eighth is a popular event, as well as other American bomber offensive scenarios, which are usually placed in late 1943 through mid 1944.  Currently this is a very hard setting to balance as the Germans don't have any of their high altitude Bf109s.  Given that even the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be at a disadvantage against the P-51s and P-47s you can imagine what it is like for the Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-14.  When I say "desperately needed" for a /AS Bf109 I am referring exclusively to this popular setting for events.  In the MA I agree it is not really needed.

1) Horse Hockey! You can pick a different plane already and not be in any disadvantage. Hangar choices that we have now do not make a good basis for more wishes to be included. It's like wishing for more wishes.

This is only true for the MA.  If you are flying Luftwaffe for a Mighty Eighth event set in June of 1944 there is nothing you can pick that isn't struggling at the altitudes the American bombers and escorts come in at.

[Vinkman]

No, I'm shooting it down because ALL it would be is another LWMA monster. And that's because:
The P-63 would have virtually no life outside the Main Arenas.

Just to clarify, you are against it because it will only be used in LWMA where 98% or players spend 98% of their time.

I am for it for exactly that reason. 

[Tank-Ace]

Two things here:

1) Horse Hockey! You can pick a different plane already and not be in any disadvantage. Hangar choices that we have now do not make a good basis for more wishes to be included. It's like wishing for more wishes.

2) due to. . . means you owe money. Just saying.

1) special events, you idiot. I didn't say a word about the MA need for one.

2) thanks, good to know, but entirely irrelevant.

[Tank-Ace]

This thread went from "it doesn't meet the criteria! dont add it!" to "Well its a late war  monster, bottom of the list!" I am simply defending the fact the P-63 deserves to be added in the game as the next aircraft. What I mean is it meets the criteria to be added, now in my opinion I completely agree with you
that we don't need late war monsters just to fill the main arena. But some are shooting down the P-63 just because its a late war monster. We just got the Yak-3 which is both a Late war filler AND it fills a planet set for the russians in scenarios.
The P-63 would be used in the same fashion for late war scenarios, so it doesn't automatically make it useless in scenarios.

However I do agree without a doubt, there are many other rides that need to be at the top of the list. Wellington X and Beaufighter are two I can think of that served the British quite well in multiple theaters and did its job wonderfully. But I think we are running out of multiple theater aircrafts other then the D.520.

Then don't argue for the other side, and thats exactly what you're doing. Nobody has said we can't add it for quite a while. We're all saying "don't add it now, its in no way needed". And by needed, we mean needed as in it actually fills a gap.

[Megalodon]

Just to clarify, you are against it because it will only be used in LWMA where 98% or players spend 98% of their time.

I am for it for exactly that reason. 

 They don't understand that argument ..... you know the FUN for every one concept just evades them.

No it has to be for scenarios ..that if their lucky will get 2 off this year. Maybe 200 players twice a year...That's the basis for adding planes with these guys.... I have no doubt that the FSO would work it in.

 

[No9Squadron]

Another late war American fighter, you have variants of the existing ones already. In reading this thread I realize my WW2 expertise does not include machines like this, which I've never come across in the autobiographies or history books, so that would be pretty much a reason for putting this further down the list until I saw things like Italian bombers (four theatres of war at least), Beaufighters, Catalinas etc. On the flipside, it's so esoteric that it does make you want to fly it.

If you look at IL-2 they separated "late war" and I wonder if that will be required, if Black Widow and other planes appear, while things like Italian Bombers and FW200 don't. Perhaps there should be a "WHAT IF" server and be clear about it, rather than adding all these rare, exotic and esoteric machines, most of which saw no action or such little action that it hardly made any contribution at all.

When you say late war, I imagine September 1944. A lot players seem to be pushing for September 1945. A server for planes like this, would make the LWMA a little more realistic and provide some new entertainment as well.

[Tank-Ace]

 They don't understand that argument ..... you know the FUN for every one concept just evades them.

No it has to be for scenarios ..that if their lucky will get 2 off this year. Maybe 200 players twice a year...That's the basis for adding planes with these guys.... I have no doubt that the FSO would work it in.

 

Oh yes, because we should add what is essentially another F4U-4 for you to take our of the hangar one a month. That's much better than getting another aircraft that will have use in both the MA's AND special events.

I mean holy crap, do you really and genuinely believe your own roadkill?

[Karnak]

 They don't understand that argument ..... you know the FUN for every one concept just evades them.

No it has to be for scenarios ..that if their lucky will get 2 off this year. Maybe 200 players twice a year...That's the basis for adding planes with these guys.... I have no doubt that the FSO would work it in.

 

I understand it perfectly.

Do you understand that even more late war monsters running around makes the game less fun for people who are fans of things that aren't late war monsters?  Did that even occur to you?  Adding the P-63 is fun for some, and the antithesis of fun for others.