Hi Tech Decision on P-63

[Karnak]

It was an honest mistake Vink, the resemblance is uncanny. They could be twins.

Sorry, no.  I am not nearly as negative or caustic as Krusty.  But when somebody posts discredited roadkill yet again, and chooses to toss bumper sticker level political crap on top of it I don't see the need to be polite as they set the tone.

Honestly I shouldn't have even responded.  I suspect most people who post such things as the Brewster is over modeled or the Spitfire Mk XVI only saw 39 hours of combat or other such things just post and run, making any correction to their ill informed post moot as they'll never see it.

[Butcher]

There was a player in Air Warrior, a WW2 vet that went by the handle of Earl1 (his P-47, "Viking" is skinned in this game), flew the P-39, P-38G and P-47 in the MTO.  When he was asked which plane he enjoyed flying the most, he replied that it was the P-39, which he flew during convoy escort duties.  He did mention that in inexperienced hands, it was a difficult plane to fly but if you knew the ins and outs of the plane, it was a joy.

ack-ack

The P-39 was absolutely terrible. There is no pluses when trying to describe the P-39. The russians might have some aces who used it, but given how many pilots were expended over it, its best use was against unescorted betty bombers and nothing more.

There are very few aircraft I believe should never of exited or been developed, the P-39 is just one of those. How many books were written by fighter pilots praising the P-39? I don't have any.

[Randy1]

. . .I suspect most people who post such things as the Brewster is over modeled

Since spending some time in the P39, I understand why people think the Brewster is over modeled.  I too thought the Brewster was over modeled but now I know given the right circumstances, the Brewster or P39 can out fly most planes in the game.  The key is the "right circumstances" which makes the Brewster and planes like the P39 look like super planes not the planes modeling. 

[Karnak]

Since spending some time in the P39, I understand why people think the Brewster is over modeled.  I too thought the Brewster was over modeled but now I know given the right circumstances, the Brewster or P39 can out fly most planes in the game.  The key is the "right circumstances" which makes the Brewster and planes like the P39 look like super planes not the planes modeling. 

Indeed.  People take their late war monster and then do something stupid around a Brewster or P-39 or P-40 and get killed, then whine about it because they feel (yes feel, not think) that the monster is supposed to out everything the POS.  Of course in reality there are almost always tradeoffs and powerful engines that bring small, low drag airframes to 450mph are heavy causing turn radius and low speed handling to deteriorate.

If you look at the B-239's usage and K/D ratio in AH you see it is nothing special and claims of it pulling a 180 and chasing down a faster fighter are absurd excuses to justify why one just died to such a poor performing fighter.

[Butcher]

Indeed.  People take their late war monster and then do something stupid around a Brewster or P-39 or P-40 and get killed, then whine about it because they feel (yes feel, not think) that the monster is supposed to out everything the POS.  Of course in reality there are almost always tradeoffs and powerful engines that bring small, low drag airframes to 450mph are heavy causing turn radius and low speed handling to deteriorate.

If you look at the B-239's usage and K/D ratio in AH you see it is nothing special and claims of it pulling a 180 and chasing down a faster fighter are absurd excuses to justify why one just died to such a poor performing fighter.

The B-239 is not exceptional in any way, however you are exactly right - one of the reasons I stick to flying 20 eny fighters is they are not overated or underated. I can still catch someone much easier then if I were in a B-239.
One tour I ended up #1 in fighers flying the C.205 for a reason - people always considered it wasn't a threat until that big gun package started blazing away at them then they cried foul.
205 isn't nothing special, it climbs well and does 400 at 15k, I was amazed after the first handful would try to out run it, or out climb it expecting their late war monster to just pull away and end up getting killed.
Against a decent pilot, I was dead pretty much most of the time - there is no "cheat box" for the 205 to escape any real situation (for example a co-alt spit 8 will just school it).

Same people that get schooled by a B-239 are same ones who whine about everything, I've flown countless times against 239s and i've never seen anything special - unless its 10k above me I really don't even worry about one.

[danny76]

Indeed.  People take their late war monster and then do something stupid around a Brewster or P-39 or P-40 and get killed, then whine about it because they feel (yes feel, not think) that the monster is supposed to out everything the POS.  Of course in reality there are almost always tradeoffs and powerful engines that bring small, low drag airframes to 450mph are heavy causing turn radius and low speed handling to deteriorate.

If you look at the B-239's usage and K/D ratio in AH you see it is nothing special and claims of it pulling a 180 and chasing down a faster fighter are absurd excuses to justify why one just died to such a poor performing fighter.

To a certain extent I agree, and yet I have film of me overflying a base in a balls to the wall Typhoon as a Zeke was lifting, he managed to turn towards me and chase me down, now I am trying to put the film on but my technophobia is playing up

[Franz Von Werra]

He-177 please!  
What every 'luftwaffle', 'luftwobble', and 'luftwhinner' in the game wants to fly!     And what every allied wants to shoot down!

[Butcher]

To a certain extent I agree, and yet I have film of me overflying a base in a balls to the wall Typhoon as a Zeke was lifting, he managed to turn towards me and chase me down, now I am trying to put the film on but my technophobia is playing up

You must of screwed up hard...

[danny76]

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You must of screwed up hard...

First of all it's must "have"

Secondly: quite probably did.

Thirdly, happened nevertheless, happened today, I dived on a Zeke in a f6f from alt, passed him by as he turned hard then he ran me down

[Megalodon]

There was a player in Air Warrior, a WW2 vet that went by the handle of Earl1 (his P-47, "Viking" is skinned in this game), flew the P-39, P-38G and P-47 in the MTO.  When he was asked which plane he enjoyed flying the most, he replied that it was the P-39, which he flew during convoy escort duties.  He did mention that in inexperienced hands, it was a difficult plane to fly but if you knew the ins and outs of the plane, it was a joy.

ack-ack

Earl's P-39 is skinned in the game aswell "Eloise" 345FS/350FG by Fencer

[save]

butcher you dream would come true with the Yak3p.
It has 3*20mm, and have much better overall performance than the p63 and flew on the same front.
It would also be higher perked than the p63.

It will get used, tank just assumes it won't. Problem with the aircraft lineup we have that are perked, not many interest me - I'm not a corsair fan, and 262s are expensive. If the Yak-3 had a pair of 20mm with 200 rpg I'd be flying that perk baby every sortie.
My point is we have a very limited perk selection, it would be nice to expand it a little.

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[Karnak]

First of all it's must "have"

Secondly: quite probably did.

Thirdly, happened nevertheless, happened today, I dived on a Zeke in a f6f from alt, passed him by as he turned hard then he ran me down

I would love to see film of it.  You mentioned you have film of one or both of the incidents.  Would you mind emailing it to me?

I don't mean this in an "Oh yeah?  I bet he is lying." way.  I mean this in a "Somebody finally has film of one of these incidents and I really am curious to see it." way.

[Karnak]

He-177 please!  
What every 'luftwaffle', 'luftwobble', and 'luftwhinner' in the game wants to fly!     And what every allied wants to shoot down!

Check the Do217 thread for some Do217, Ju188 and He177 discussion.

[Butcher]

butcher you dream would come true with the Yak3p.
It has 3*20mm, and have much better overall performance than the p63 and flew on the same front.
It would also be higher perked than the p63.
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how is that possible when the Yak-3p started production in April 1945? P-63 was already at front line service and flying before the Yak-3p even rolled out the factories.
Closest numbers I have shows it entered service in 1946.

[Ack-Ack]

The P-39 was absolutely terrible. There is no pluses when trying to describe the P-39. The russians might have some aces who used it, but given how many pilots were expended over it, its best use was against unescorted betty bombers and nothing more.

There are very few aircraft I believe should never of exited or been developed, the P-39 is just one of those. How many books were written by fighter pilots praising the P-39? I don't have any.

Your view of the P-39 is rather myopic, completely ignoring it's actions in the Pacific in the early part of the war.  For the USAAF, it as the P-40 and the P-39/P-400 that checked the IJAAF in the SW Pacific in the early days. 

Well, at least for one P-39 pilot that flew them in the MTO, it was a joy to fly for him.  Earl1 never said the P-39 was better than any of the other fighters he flew during the war, it was just the most enjoyable for him to fly.

ack-ack