Complex Engine Management

[guncrasher]

Do people not read the "optional" part or something?

I dont think hitech does.  as much as I would like to see some dweeb try to micromanage his engine in a furball.


semp

[Babalonian]

You're right. I'd like to think all this mundane engine-sitting is what my virtual cartoon pilot does on instinct while I, as a player, drink a beer.

boost pump is wrong.

[Arlo]

boost pump is wrong.

Imagine that. Think I'll have another beer. 

[Babalonian]

Do people not read the "optional" part or something?

You haven't read HiTechs old responces along the lines of not allowing an option to give players an advantage over others.  Exception being the stall limiter, to assist new players with overcoming the challenges of learning to fly while participating in combat.  I've also remembered he has also directly responded to an older wish for a more complex engine management feature.

Imagine that. Think I'll have another beer. 

A gas powered engine starts with its gear-driven fuel pump how?...   /mind blown
As you contemplate being one of the many unable to get your plane started on the ground - save a cold on for me.  Night classes ftw!

[Arlo]

A gas powered engine starts with its gear-driven fuel pump how?...   /mind blown
As you contemplate being one of the many unable to get your plane started on the ground - save a cold on for me.  Night classes ftw!

I've never had a problem so far. I don't anticipate one. There's an illustration here. Beer? 

[asterix]

Keep in mind that for this to work the current performance would need to be the result of "complex engine management" being enabled.  By default everything would need to perform a little worse than it does now when automatic engine management is selected.

Why?

Because the gains to be had are not even.  I can't really think of anything that a Mossie pilot could do, enginewise, to eek out a bit more performance. All you can do is set higher boost, but that is controlled by the WEP system.  The Mossie driver doesn't have cowl flaps to fiddle with.  I don't even think its radiators open and close.

I don't care to have F4U's gain performance on me just because they have a checkbox for complex engine management that actually does something for them.  Hence, F4Us with complex engine management should perform as they do now and the ones without it checked should lose a few MPH and a little climb.

I do not like the idea of having a complex engine management, but if it is implemented then in my opinion it should give better performance for a short time only. Automatic mode should keep the engine at it`s optimum performance at all times without overheating. Shutting cowl flaps manually or leaning the mixture would give short term speed or climb rate increase, but this should also overheat the engine when used for too long.

[Saxman]

I do not like the idea of having a complex engine management, but if it is implemented then in my opinion it should give better performance for a short time only. Automatic mode should keep the engine at it`s optimum performance at all times without overheating. Shutting cowl flaps manually or leaning the mixture would give short term speed or climb rate increase, but this should also overheat the engine when used for too long.

That's why if you read the whole thread I pretty much said from the start it should come with a bit of risk.

You haven't read HiTechs old responces along the lines of not allowing an option to give players an advantage over others.  Exception being the stall limiter, to assist new players with overcoming the challenges of learning to fly while participating in combat.

Engine Governor.

Doesn't assist new players with overcoming the challenges of learning to fly while participating in combat at all, just does something to stop the player from making a power-on dive to prevent over-revving and blowing out the engine. And flying with it off DEFINITELY provides a clear advantage.

[hitech]

Saxman: I understand your desire. But you seem to not have the real view of what the controls do in real life.

On most planes prop,mixture, and throttle can all be set to their fighting position with 1 hand simultaneously.

Btw I assume you already use the prop control on every flight?

P.S.

Prop,mixture, boost pump, gear down and bolted, tank on the fullest. Speeds coming down, flaps cracked.


HiTech

[Saxman]

Btw I assume you already use the prop control on every flight?

Yes. Soon as I hit alt in the Corsairs I'm on 36 MAP at 2150 RPM. If it's not a scramble I'll drop to Normal power for climb to altitude once I'm wheels up. Always have E6B open once I spawn to check power settings, especially in rides I don't use as often.

[Wiley]

Yes. Soon as I hit alt in the Corsairs I'm on 36 MAP at 2150 RPM. If it's not a scramble I'll drop to Normal power for climb to altitude once I'm wheels up. Always have E6B open once I spawn to check power settings, especially in rides I don't use as often.

Kind of related, kind of an aside...  I'd heard mention from more than one RW pilot in these games that climbing out, you're better to run full throttle until you reach your desired altitude, then drop back to your normal or cruise settings.  The impression I had gotten was the increased fuel burn due to the higher settings was offset by spending less time at low altitude.  Is that wrong?

Wiley.

[colmbo]

Kind of related, kind of an aside...  I'd heard mention from more than one RW pilot in these games that climbing out, you're better to run full throttle until you reach your desired altitude, then drop back to your normal or cruise settings.  The impression I had gotten was the increased fuel burn due to the higher settings was offset by spending less time at low altitude.  Is that wrong?

Wiley.

Correct.  Generally it is more efficient to climb at best rate airspeed and power until reaching cruise speed.  The idea is the fuel burned is offset by the savings you get from the higher rate of climb (less time at climb power) and better economy once at altitude.

[earl1937]

Kind of related, kind of an aside...  I'd heard mention from more than one RW pilot in these games that climbing out, you're better to run full throttle until you reach your desired altitude, then drop back to your normal or cruise settings.  The impression I had gotten was the increased fuel burn due to the higher settings was offset by spending less time at low altitude.  Is that wrong?

Wiley.

I found over the years, my objective dictated my climb procedures. Do I want to travel as far as I can while climbing? (Cruise Climb settings). Do I want to gain as much altitude as quickly as possible?. (Best RATE of climb, in feet per minute). Do I want to go as far as I can and gain as much altitude as I can at the same time? (Best sustainable power setting, without incurring cooling problems).
While we are not confronted with cooling problems in AH when climbing out, in some RL aircraft, it is a problem which has to be monitored closely as you climb, such as the Cessna 421, an executive twin-engine aircraft, with IGSO-540 engines, the P & W R-985 in Model 18's, a radial engine, sometimes you have to climb at a higher airspeed because of cooling requirements. While if you have a mission profile which requires maximum fuel endurance, you have to first keep the CHT's in limits, it is best in those two aircraft to climb at "full-rich" mixture settings because fuel helps cool the engine. I think AH has it about right for the majority of players in this game.

[icepac]

If it's modeled correctly, it would give me an advantage since I design engine management systems for a living.

Bring it on and don't whine when you burn a piston.

[earl1937]

If it's modeled correctly, it would give me an advantage since I design engine management systems for a living.

Bring it on and don't whine when you burn a piston.

If you have a EGT gauge, then you could adjust mixtures for best fuel management and best climb power setting. I think that would be the extreme engine management requirement for the new guys! Of course you would have to have working mixture controls and that we are not going to have in this game! (At least I don't think so)