Spitfire MK1 flat stalls

[Zacherof]

see now your playing on words woop and work hard are variable.   

If you be aggressive with my spit you might last 2 / 3 full loops.   If you be timid you might last 1 or 2 bnz passes. 

However the end result = Spit owns EMIL!!!

You will be a fun fight. 

[GScholz]

see now your playing on words woop and work hard are variable. 

Yet you insist on a very invariable conclusion to the fight. Only a blowhard would do that.

[SirNuke]

IMO on the paper the spitfire has got all the cards

But in an event the 109 is much reliable in his flight behavior (no flat spin), gun package, and of course I'll mention the damn gravity fed carburator 

[Karnak]

IMO on the paper the spitfire has got all the cards

But in an event the 109 is much reliable in his flight behavior (no flat spin), gun package, and of course I'll mention the damn gravity fed carburator 

In a one on one it is easier to exploit the strengths of the Spitfire Mk I than of the Bf109E-4.  The Bf109E-4's guns are better, but it has more trouble bringing them to bear on the Spitfire, which mostly eliminates that advantage.  In a many on many the fact that Hans has trouble getting his 20mm cannons on Robert doesn't mean as much because while Robert is working on getting Hans, Gunter can get Robert and do so a lot faster than Robert can get Hans or John can clear Gunter off of Robert.  One on one fights are not a particularly great indicator of battle effectiveness.

Now, the Spitfire Mk I and Bf109E-4 are so close in overall capability that even in a battle situation either side is capable of triumphing.  For a more extreme example look to the A6M2 vs F4F-4.  In a one on one the A6M2 utterly dominates the F4F-4, but in a many on many the A6M2s have almost no hope of winning, at least as modeled in AH.

[nrshida]

But back on subject one has to wonder if the real Spitfire Mark I was so prone to the nasty non-recoverable stall. It doesn't seem to have that reputation in real life at all. Does the literature say anything Karnak or Guppy?

[LCADolby]

I met Bruvs Spit1 with my Emil, I was pounced by 3 or 4 people milliseconds before I could claim a well earned kill at TT not so long ago.

 

[Zacherof]

I met Bruvs Spit1 with my Emil, I was pounced by 3 or 4 people milliseconds before I could claim a well earned kill at TT not so long ago.

 

i put 5 taters into his spit 8 and he went poof
granted i had a wingman keep him busy and i DID chop my 110's throttle to turn with him


*exits building swiftly before bruvs return*

[Midway]

errr  nope,   in a strict 1vs1  the e-mil will fail to get a good enough gun solution.   

Whilst he can try to zoom climb, if the e-mil burns a fraction too much E turning, the Spit's greater climbing performance and turn rate will result in the e-mil with nowhere to go except runaway. 

If you wish to be disproved the next time we are both online then we can go in a custom room and I will remove all doubt in your mind. 

 

 

[SirNuke]

But back on subject one has to wonder if the real Spitfire Mark I was so prone to the nasty non-recoverable stall. It doesn't seem to have that reputation in real life at all. Does the literature say anything Karnak or Guppy?

Id like to know too

[GScholz]

To my knowledge there are no aircraft that are immune to entering a flat spin, only varying difficulty of recovery, with some aircraft being impossible to recover.

[nrshida]

The question is how readily it enters. In this case an aircraft noted for its docility and ease to fly. Need Karnak and / or Guppy to consult the literature.

[Karnak]

I've never read anything about the Spit of any kind being prone to flat spins.  I have not read all that much Spitfire Mk I specific stuff though.  When I have read about 1940 it has more been in the context of about the pilots or about the BoB or BoF and those things don't delve into technical details all that deep.  No comments from pilots that I can recall mentioning it.

[Bruv119]

I met Bruvs Spit1 with my Emil, I was pounced by 3 or 4 people milliseconds before I could claim a well earned kill at TT not so long ago.

 

that was my first flight in 3 weeks and I had near full fuel,  I'm free every morning this week for robust training sessions,  9-11:30AM

herr Jarrboels was pencilled in this AM and he is fitter, leaner and meaner than ever before!!    

[Zacherof]

that was my first flight in 3 weeks and I had near full fuel,  I'm free every morning this week for robust training sessions,  9-11:30AM

herr Jarrboels was pencilled in this AM and he is fitter, leaner and meaner than ever before!!    

so if i want to fight i have to be awake at 2am? Great deal! If you see me pm me

[cobia38]

To my knowledge there are no aircraft that are immune to entering a flat spin, only varying difficulty of recovery, with some aircraft being impossible to recover.

  I have never flat spinned in a B25 or a  ar234 or an a20  all 3 are tricycle landing gear and are nose heavy