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Offline Butcher

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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2013, 12:09:53 AM »
For a more extreme example look to the A6M2 vs F4F-4.  In a one on one the A6M2 utterly dominates the F4F-4, but in a many on many the A6M2s have almost no hope of winning, at least as modeled in AH.

What you fail to understand here is Pilots in aces high know the strengths and weaknesses of the A6m2 and F4F. During Midway I can show you dozens of After Action Reports showing Midway fighter pilots had no clue how to come the A6m. Some report would say it was doing well over 450mph in level flight, others say it climbed to no end, and turned endless circles around F4Fs.
In Aces high we also tend to have an Alt CAP, at 22k you really don't give the A6m much breathing room for one, few years back I did a scenario where there was no alt cap and the Zeros tore up the F4Fs (primarily because of the biggest factor being more skilled pilots were on the Japanese side for once and not flying F4Fs).
If you put 12 Fresh faced 2 weekers up against 12 veteran pilots flying A6m2 the end results is going to be the same period.
During the Battle of Britain English pilots did have some combat under their belt, far different the F4F pilots did at Midway. Also you have to remember the 109E and Spitfire were almost about the same in capabilities, far different then the Zero which out turned, out climbed, and was faster.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2013, 08:39:39 AM »
You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying.  Dramatically so.
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2013, 04:30:14 AM »
I still don't get why a barrel roll makes the spit1 stall, certain combinations of roll and elevation will instantly make it flat stall. Weird for a beginner friendly plane.

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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2013, 05:09:31 AM »
I still don't get why a barrel roll makes the spit1 stall, certain combinations of roll and elevation will instantly make it flat stall. Weird for a beginner friendly plane.

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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2013, 07:01:31 AM »
IRL 109s could alway select to bunt nose-down in a dive and leave battle at will, IRL is was never to stay until the bitter end.

In AH Spit do owns in a 1vs1 equalyl good pilots, many vs many in a high-speed furball is another thing.

see now your playing on words woop and work hard are variable.  

If you be aggressive with my spit you might last 2 / 3 full loops.   If you be timid you might last 1 or 2 bnz passes.  

However the end result = Spit owns EMIL!!!
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Re: Spitfire MK1 flat stalls
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2013, 09:22:54 AM »
reminder the thread is about the weird spit1 stall departure characteristics, not the 109e4 matchup - please watch my film and comment