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Offline NatCigg

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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2013, 05:49:59 PM »
what do you consider a major hurricane.  can you give us an example?


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"Historic storms[edit]
 
A violent storm during the Crimean War on November 14, 1854, wrecked 30 vessels, and sparked initial investigations into meteorology and forecasting in Europe. In the United States, the Columbus Day Storm of 1962 led to Oregon's lowest measured pressure of 965.5 hPa (28.51 inHg), violent winds, and US$170 million in damage (1964 dollars).[43] A rapidly strengthening storm struck Vancouver Island on October 11, 1984, and inspired the development of moored buoys off the western coast of Canada.[44] The "Wahine storm" was an extratropical cyclone that struck Wellington, New Zealand on April 10, 1968, so named after causing the inter-island ferry TEV Wahine to strike a reef and founder at the entrance to Wellington Harbour, resulting in 53 deaths. The Braer Storm of January 1993 was the strongest extratropical cyclone known to occur across the northern Atlantic ocean, with a central pressure of 914 millibars (27.0 inHg).[45] In 2012, Hurricane Sandy transitioned to a post-tropical cyclone on the night of October 29; a few minutes later it made landfall on the New Jersey coast as an extratropical storm with winds similar to a Category 1 hurricane and a wind field of over 1,150 miles (1,850 km).
 
In the Southern Hemisphere, a violent extratropical storm hit Uruguay on August 23–24, 2005, killing 10 people.[46] The system's winds exceeded 100 mph (160 km/h) while Montevideo, the country's capital with 1.5 million inhabitants, was affected by tropical storm-force winds for over 12 hours and by hurricane-force winds for nearly four hours.[47] Peak gusts were registered at Carrasco International Airport as 107 mph (172 km/h) and at the Harbour of Montevideo as 116 mph (187 km/h). The lowest reported pressure was 991.7 hPa (29.28 inHg). Extratropical cyclones are common in this part of the globe during fall, winter and spring months. The winds usually peak to 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph), but winds of 116 mph (187 km/h) are very uncommon.[47]"

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As for hurricanes...



Due to the Federal Government shutdown, NOAA.gov and most associated web sites are unavailable. However, because the information this site provides is necessary to protect life and property, it will be updated and maintained during the Federal Government shutdown.

Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale
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Climatology | Names | Wind Scale | Extremes | Models | Breakpoints
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The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale is a 1 to 5 rating based on a hurricane's sustained wind speed. This scale estimates potential property damage. Hurricanes reaching Category 3 and higher are considered major hurricanes because of their potential for significant loss of life and damage. Category 1 and 2 storms are still dangerous, however, and require preventative measures. In the western North Pacific, the term "super typhoon" is used for tropical cyclones with sustained winds exceeding 150 mph.

Category Sustained Winds Types of Damage Due to Hurricane Winds

1 74-95 mph
64-82 kt
119-153 km/h Very dangerous winds will produce some damage: Well-constructed frame homes could have damage to roof, shingles, vinyl siding and gutters. Large branches of trees will snap and shallowly rooted trees may be toppled. Extensive damage to power lines and poles likely will result in power outages that could last a few to several days.

2 96-110 mph
83-95 kt
154-177 km/h Extremely dangerous winds will cause extensive damage: Well-constructed frame homes could sustain major roof and siding damage. Many shallowly rooted trees will be snapped or uprooted and block numerous roads. Near-total power loss is expected with outages that could last from several days to weeks.

3
(major) 111-129 mph
96-112 kt
178-208 km/h Devastating damage will occur: Well-built framed homes may incur major damage or removal of roof decking and gable ends. Many trees will be snapped or uprooted, blocking numerous roads. Electricity and water will be unavailable for several days to weeks after the storm passes.

4
(major) 130-156 mph
113-136 kt
209-251 km/h Catastrophic damage will occur: Well-built framed homes can sustain severe damage with loss of most of the roof structure and/or some exterior walls. Most trees will be snapped or uprooted and power poles downed. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.

5
(major) 157 mph or higher
137 kt or higher
252 km/h or higher Catastrophic damage will occur: A high percentage of framed homes will be destroyed, with total roof failure and wall collapse. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last for weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.

Conceptual animation illustrates the wind damage associated with increasing hurricane intensity - courtesy of The COMET Program
More Information

- http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshws.php

Funny joke i heard today.  "do you guys know the difference between a hurricane and a tornado? no you dont! listen. A hurricane you watch on tv for a week and dont leave and you die. A tornado you sitting at home cooking meth and BAM your trailer get flipped over."

 
 
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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2013, 07:37:53 PM »
"Historic storms[edit]
 
A violent storm during the Crimean War on November 14, 1854, wrecked 30 vessels, and sparked initial investigations into meteorology and forecasting in Europe. In the United States, the Columbus Day Storm of 1962 led to Oregon's lowest measured pressure of 965.5 hPa (28.51 inHg), violent winds, and US$170 million in damage (1964 dollars).[43] A rapidly strengthening storm struck Vancouver Island on October 11, 1984, and inspired the development of moored buoys off the western coast of Canada.[44] The "Wahine storm" was an extratropical cyclone that struck Wellington, New Zealand on April 10, 1968, so named after causing the inter-island ferry TEV Wahine to strike a reef and founder at the entrance to Wellington Harbour, resulting in 53 deaths. The Braer Storm of January 1993 was the strongest extratropical cyclone known to occur across the northern Atlantic ocean, with a central pressure of 914 millibars (27.0 inHg).[45] In 2012, Hurricane Sandy transitioned to a post-tropical cyclone on the night of October 29; a few minutes later it made landfall on the New Jersey coast as an extratropical storm with winds similar to a Category 1 hurricane and a wind field of over 1,150 miles (1,850 km).
 
In the Southern Hemisphere, a violent extratropical storm hit Uruguay on August 23–24, 2005, killing 10 people.[46] The system's winds exceeded 100 mph (160 km/h) while Montevideo, the country's capital with 1.5 million inhabitants, was affected by tropical storm-force winds for over 12 hours and by hurricane-force winds for nearly four hours.[47] Peak gusts were registered at Carrasco International Airport as 107 mph (172 km/h) and at the Harbour of Montevideo as 116 mph (187 km/h). The lowest reported pressure was 991.7 hPa (29.28 inHg). Extratropical cyclones are common in this part of the globe during fall, winter and spring months. The winds usually peak to 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph), but winds of 116 mph (187 km/h) are very uncommon.[47]"

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As for hurricanes...

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Due to the Federal Government shutdown, NOAA.gov and most associated web sites are unavailable. However, because the information this site provides is necessary to protect life and property, it will be updated and maintained during the Federal Government shutdown.

Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale
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Climatology | Names | Wind Scale | Extremes | Models | Breakpoints
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The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale is a 1 to 5 rating based on a hurricane's sustained wind speed. This scale estimates potential property damage. Hurricanes reaching Category 3 and higher are considered major hurricanes because of their potential for significant loss of life and damage. Category 1 and 2 storms are still dangerous, however, and require preventative measures. In the western North Pacific, the term "super typhoon" is used for tropical cyclones with sustained winds exceeding 150 mph.

Category Sustained Winds Types of Damage Due to Hurricane Winds

1 74-95 mph
64-82 kt
119-153 km/h Very dangerous winds will produce some damage: Well-constructed frame homes could have damage to roof, shingles, vinyl siding and gutters. Large branches of trees will snap and shallowly rooted trees may be toppled. Extensive damage to power lines and poles likely will result in power outages that could last a few to several days.

2 96-110 mph
83-95 kt
154-177 km/h Extremely dangerous winds will cause extensive damage: Well-constructed frame homes could sustain major roof and siding damage. Many shallowly rooted trees will be snapped or uprooted and block numerous roads. Near-total power loss is expected with outages that could last from several days to weeks.

3
(major) 111-129 mph
96-112 kt
178-208 km/h Devastating damage will occur: Well-built framed homes may incur major damage or removal of roof decking and gable ends. Many trees will be snapped or uprooted, blocking numerous roads. Electricity and water will be unavailable for several days to weeks after the storm passes.

4
(major) 130-156 mph
113-136 kt
209-251 km/h Catastrophic damage will occur: Well-built framed homes can sustain severe damage with loss of most of the roof structure and/or some exterior walls. Most trees will be snapped or uprooted and power poles downed. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.

5
(major) 157 mph or higher
137 kt or higher
252 km/h or higher Catastrophic damage will occur: A high percentage of framed homes will be destroyed, with total roof failure and wall collapse. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last for weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.

Conceptual animation illustrates the wind damage associated with increasing hurricane intensity - courtesy of The COMET Program
More Information

- http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshws.php

Funny joke i heard today.  "do you guys know the difference between a hurricane and a tornado? no you dont! listen. A hurricane you watch on tv for a week and dont leave and you die. A tornado you sitting at home cooking meth and BAM your trailer get flipped over."

 
 


in other words the 68 billion of damages by sandy and the 280+ deaths were just a mild inconvenience according to you?  good thing only 70% of jamaican resident went without electricity.   and the 200,000 left homeless in Haiti as nothing. 15,000 homes destroyed in puerto rico.  and in the usa it only affected 24 states causing 65 billion in damages. but hey.  can you imagine if this actually had been a real hurricane?


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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2013, 04:57:38 AM »
Obviously you did your homework.  So, you are aware sandy was a category 3 hurricane in the caribbean? thats sustained wind speeds nearly twice what was from the storm in new england.

Also, by noaas definition "Major" is a term used when there is potential for significant loss of life and damage.  hmmmm. Major Storm Sandy....aaahh super storm sandy. now i get it.

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« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2013, 08:31:11 AM »
We had a tornado warned storm coming towards us earlier this year about midnight...I was outside watching taking video and the wife was watching the never ending tornado coverage on the tv....I came back in the house to check tv and looked in our storm shelter and my 6 year old daughter was sitting in there with a huge pile of toys from her room around her...I said "baby what are you doing with all that stuff?"...she replied "I don't want my toys to be blowed away."...I looked a little closer, she had her school backpack, even though it was june, clothes, food, and even the dogs, lol....I was so proud my little baby prepper was ready for our trailer to be blown away  :)   
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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2013, 09:42:20 AM »
Obviously you did your homework.  So, you are aware sandy was a category 3 hurricane in the caribbean? thats sustained wind speeds nearly twice what was from the storm in new england.

Also, by noaas definition "Major" is a term used when there is potential for significant loss of life and damage.  hmmmm. Major Storm Sandy....aaahh super storm sandy. now i get it.

Well, Sandy IS the largest Atlantic hurricane on record, AND it is holds the #2 spot cost-wise at ~ $68 Billion.  It also claimed 268 lives.  I would consider that fairly significant and so would the families of those folks.

It was bad enough to close the NYSE, which is a feat, in and of, itself.  First time it has closed since 9/11/01.
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« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2013, 12:52:40 AM »
Obviously you did your homework.  So, you are aware sandy was a category 3 hurricane in the caribbean? thats sustained wind speeds nearly twice what was from the storm in new england.

Also, by noaas definition "Major" is a term used when there is potential for significant loss of life and damage.  hmmmm. Major Storm Sandy....aaahh super storm sandy. now i get it.

you want super somewhere you got it.  then of course according to you.  this is just a normal storm.

http://news.yahoo.com/india-red-alert-super-cyclone-nears-east-coast-041317879--finance.html


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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2013, 04:38:15 AM »
now thats scary.  160 sustained 195 gusts holy chit!

p.s. semp, take this.  :bolt:

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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2013, 10:29:05 AM »
check out the latest gfs model of asia.

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/NCOMAGWEB/appcontroller/Imageanis.php

Not only the super typhoon in the bay of bengal (this storm runs into the himalayas.  lot of rain up there after the devastation on the coast.) but another very large typhoon forms south of japan and skirts the east coast of japan.   :eek:

edit: link does not run.  click back twice then select asia and gfs then 850_temp_mslp_precip and loop all.
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Re: No hurricanes???
« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2013, 10:18:53 AM »
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Please, lets keep it around for awhile...    :pray
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« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2013, 04:08:19 PM »
I wish they would get away from calling hurricanes/storms "super" and "major".  It's only purpose is to give people some way of feeling special as in they are "unique".  Sandy sucked for the NE and sucked an awful lot for the Carribean as well.  Andrew was massively devastating as well, but it happened in 1992, so add 20 years of cost and imagine how expensive it would be in today's dollars.

We already have terms for them, let's stick with it.
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« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2013, 04:13:59 PM »
Must be the same folks saying global warming is man made.
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« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2013, 08:29:30 PM »
I wish they would get away from calling hurricanes/storms "super" and "major".  It's only purpose is to give people some way of feeling special as in they are "unique".  Sandy sucked for the NE and sucked an awful lot for the Carribean as well.  Andrew was massively devastating as well, but it happened in 1992, so add 20 years of cost and imagine how expensive it would be in today's dollars.

We already have terms for them, let's stick with it.

yup sandy was so last year, I mean it was 68 billion dollars but that was way back then when 68 billion dollars was a lot of money.

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« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2013, 10:07:09 PM »
I wish they would get away from calling hurricanes/storms "super" and "major".  It's only purpose is to give people some way of feeling special as in they are "unique".  Sandy sucked for the NE and sucked an awful lot for the Carribean as well.  Andrew was massively devastating as well, but it happened in 1992, so add 20 years of cost and imagine how expensive it would be in today's dollars.

We already have terms for them, let's stick with it.

According to NOAA the term "Major" storms has nothing to do with monetary damage, just the Saffir-Simpson Scale.

Named Storms = Tropical Storms, Hurricanes and Subtropical Storms
Hurricanes = Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale 1 to 5
Major Hurricanes = Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale 3, 4, or 5

It is right there at the bottom of the page of my previous link.

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« Reply #89 on: October 15, 2013, 09:05:52 AM »
I wish they would get away from calling hurricanes/storms "super" and "major".  It's only purpose is to give people some way of feeling special as in they are "unique".  Sandy sucked for the NE and sucked an awful lot for the Carribean as well.  Andrew was massively devastating as well, but it happened in 1992, so add 20 years of cost and imagine how expensive it would be in today's dollars.

We already have terms for them, let's stick with it.

I think the "Superstorm" moniker, for Sandy at least had to do with the fact that it was more than just a normal hurricane.  It was a hurricane that should have blown out to sea, but instead, it grabbed some more fuel from the Atlantic Ocean, built-up steam and was blown back inland by a crazy jet-stream.

Not saying I totally disagree with you, just that I can see some of the reasoning behind it.
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