Ive seen the video. Obviously you didnt see in my post where I said traffic altercation CAN be started by just one party or that its possible this was MC, as in motorcycling, wilding.
But you still dont know what started it. Jeez am I the only objective one around here?
Look not that news paper articles actually tell what actually happened but now they are reporting In other words "nobody knows what fracking happened and the Police are still collecting evidence".
Its possible the biker was actually slowing down in order to slow down the others, to organize the ride, and some sort of verbal confrontation happened. You'll notice an obvious verbal exchange at about 0.18 in the video. He might have been trying to warn the driver of the SUV he was slowing down the group and get them all together. The driver of the SUV had plenty of time to slow down as well and NOT hit the MC driver initially. Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off.
So how pissed would you be if you saw your friends ran over by an SUV on purpose?
My guess is, based on 30 years of doing this stuff, that the visceral reactions among many is do to the fact the actual attackers of the SUV are black. But even there there is a clue. The Bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix. Besides there were no Harleys and biker or street gangs dont wear fruity colored helmets and with either the entire affair would have ended with gun fire anyways. Its very likely the entire thing started by accident and progressed thru miscalculation and over reaction.
But I dont know. And neither do any of you. Being a black kid on a motorcycle isnt a crime, nor does it automatically make you a criminal. We have a lot of problems with "flash mobs" here, or "wilding", but Ive never ever seen a racially mixed one.
This is the most obtuse line of reasoning that I've seen in a long time....
300 out of control bikers, riding on sidewalks, passing on the shoulders, speeding, driving unregistered, uninsured bikes and quads. Later, 55 bikes and quads impounded. 7 knives and one .32 cal pistol collected. A dozen arrests not related to the Lien incident. All of this and you really believe that who started the Lien lunacy is in doubt? Seriously? NYPD and the DA Office have already classified it as a "gang attack", and are considering adding a hate crime charge (because Lien and family are Asian). Lien told police that this whole thing started when several bikers rode very close to his vehicle while weaving back and forth. Lien stated that he beeped his horn and several bikers became enraged.
You assume that we can rule out that "bikers are both white and black so we can rule out bike gangs or street gangs cause they dont mix." Wrong assumption. Many in this crowd didn't know more than a few of the participants. This isn't about race, it's about a sub-culture. A sub-culture that ignores the law and has a complete disregard for the safety of ordinary drivers and pedestrians. Their videos clearly establish this. Here's four videos shot by the same guy, earlier, just before the encounter with Lien.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664You state, "Then, apparently, there was no physical contact before the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off." More nonsense. There's rock solid evidence (from the video, the Lien family and other witnesses) that the mob attempted to get into the Rover, and slashed two tires. So, Lien is surrounded by a mob, some wielding knives and trying to get into his vehicle. Your comment, "the SUV driver decided to run over a few bikers and take off", is preposterous on it's face. You know, there's objective and then there's obtuse. You, my friend, seem inclined to the latter.
