HT you are ranking this all WRONG!

[Voss]

The name Aces High suggests you intend for people to fly smart, yet your scoring system requires that they furball and fly buffs, and tanks, and PT boats? Is this what your customers want? For you to decide how they play online? I know, you have a bunch of guys that like to furball, yet they are all in the TA fighting (or worse yet, HTH), while the MA sees a bunch of very upset users.

What are you afraid of? There has never been a "peripheral fight only" frame of mind in any of us. Where you get the concept that fights would thin out escapes me. In ten years of online flying I haven't seen that. Oh, they try it at first, sure! No one has the patience to keep it up for long, though, and you will always have dedicated buff groups, cavalry, and sea butts.

I think you need to reconsider the way things are *ranked* here. As for me, I am going back to the Mustang ONLY! No damn buffs, vehicles, or sissy boats. When the enemies thin out, I log.

Yes, I think the scoring system here is stupid! The *only* thing you can do to make me happy is make fighting paramount, regardless of style, and then remove time from the equation. Time in the equation doesn't *even* make sense.

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[Ripsnort]

Well, if you don't like it, why don't you create your own sim?   <G,D,R>

[AKDejaVu]

So.. you only fly for score?  Do you need a scoring system to dictate your choice of planes or style?  Does an arbritrary ranking somehow make any difference at all?  If you want to fly P-51s, should you be worried that you'll never have a high enough score to command the CV?

AKDejaVu

[Lephturn]

LOL Rip!

It's in HTC's best interests to have more folks online as much as they can.  Therefore, I expect the score and ranking system to reflect that.  It seems it mostly does so.

In the edited words of Yoda if he was an AH master:  "Score matters not.  Judge me by my score do you?  Hmmmmm?"

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[Beurling]

I have riped voss in a few threads but in this case hes right on!

I dont buff i dont bomb.  I am sick of seeing guys with a sub 1.0 k/d ranked ahead of my 4.0 because they fly so much more.

I came here to fly a fighter not a bomber or a tank. Does that make me a bad guy?

EYE

[Voss]

Quit your whining! You whine about everything!  

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[CavemanJ]

Gotta agree Voss, time should have no place in the ranking scheme.  It's interested a side note, but not as anything that affects rank.  I've been mainly flying the 51D (B when it comes out) and I try to fly to live.  Been doing a decent job of it too.  But the guys who launch from a vulched field, get a kill or two, die, wash, rinse, repeat have a serious advantage in thier ranking because of the kills/time stat.

As for the ranking in general, compare only the ranking you're interested in.  Look at only the fighter ranks to see how your P-51 stacks up against the other 1000+ ranked pilots.  The only thing the overall ranking does is allow you to take/keep control of the task groups, which is no big deal.  Guess it also has a touch of bragging rights for those who are ranked high in everything.

It seems that the weighting of the stats is skewed.  See my thread in the gameplay/feedboard about the weighting of stats.

[Voss]

No, Deja (previous pointed at Rip), I don't care about score. I want my squad to do well, though. Obviously, it won't be in the ranks. We will, though, take the P-51 top ten position from now on.

The ranking is causing a conflict of interest, though. I want it stopped.

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You are wrong, too, Leph. I have talked to a ton of guys online that don't even know the ranks are there! Go figure.

Thanks, Cavey.
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[Moose11]

Score matters only if you need the ego boost. (of course, showing your squad as #1 is cool too)

I think that what the point system rewards are the more balanced pilots. If someone can fly a fighter fairly well, and a bomber excellent, then why should they be lower then a straight fighter pilot?

Scorepotatos.  

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by Beurling:
I came here to fly a fighter not a bomber or a tank. Does that make me a bad guy?

No, but it does make you score-obsessed.  Do you somehow think that people who look at your k/d ratio and then at your overall rank will dismiss you because of the latter?  Doubtful.

If you're a real menace to the arena, folks will know it regardless of any ranking system.  Just relax, have fun, and kill everything in sight.

-- Todd/DMF

[fscott]

Voss, as long as I'm around your squad won't be taking the top 10 rankings in the P51.

Also, I don't understand what's wrong with the ranking system? If you are looking at overall rank that is useless. Just look at fighter rank if that's all you do is fly fighters. What's the problem?

And shouldn't kills/time be considered?  If you get more kills with a small amount of time that should help you.  If all you do is fly around at 20k and wait for that one easy kill you can dive down on then you deserve to be ranked last.

fscott

[AKDejaVu]

 

No, Deja (previous pointed at Rip), I don't care about score. I want my squad to do well, though. Obviously, it won't be in the ranks. We will, though, take the P-51 top ten position from now on.

That's good.  I will continue to track the number of kills.. I'll eventually add the K/D also, but that'll take the addition of some filters I haven't had the time to write.  These sound like the things you are looking for.  Excel in an aircraft... fly to live... fly in groups... fly smart.

I do, however, believe that there are very few people that want to fly the way the 13th does.  Your squad is definately in the minority.  Surely you must know this.

I do agree that the k/time is something of a worthless stat.  It holds no real relevance.  I just don't see it as being the "alright, I'VE HAD IT!" ammo that you seem to be presenting it as.

 

The ranking is causing a conflict of interest, though. I want it stopped.

So?  Who the hell are you to make this kind of demand?  Who the hell are you to dictate what is and is not important in regards to tallying score?

Well.. one thing is for sure, when you decide to come back.. you definately make your presence known.

Sheesh.

AKDejaVu

[hblair]

Would be nice to see some kind of mission scoring. A ranking based on the percentage of time a squadrons missions meets  objectives. Or some kind of bonus "attack" points for people who join a field capture mission and destroy targets at the target field, etc.

[Zigrat]

time cannot be removed from teh equation


otherwise i can log on, for 1 sortie a month, get 10 kills, go land, and be the #1 pilot for the entire tour. Rediculous.

As for everything counting, well tahts the way it has to be. I cant think of another way. If you guys wanna only fly p51s fine, do your runstang thing. 8 of the top 10 badass pilots people ranked in that post yesterday have a K/D under 2.0, but people considered them much more dangerous than the pilots with a k/d of 8? i wonder why.

[Tac]

Sad thing is, those "scorepotatos" will be amongst the few that will be able to use the perk planes.

Mr. I fly Pony only and Run when in trouble + fight to live may get 6 kill sorties without dying.. but it may also take him 20 minutes of flying. Compare that to Mr I fly N1k and HO/UFO/Vulch everyone on that de-acked enemy field that gets 20 kills in 10 minutes, even if he died 8 times, he will still be getting more perks per time unit than the pony guy.

Later on, the n1k guy is found in an me-262 enjoying his quake-earned perks while the pony driver is still in his pony trying to run away from the 262.