Author Topic: HT you are ranking this all WRONG! (Read 3162 times)

Exile · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:11:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
Just relax, have fun, and kill everything in sight.

-- Todd/DMF

This is a man who knows what it's all about.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:15:00 PM »

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Originally posted by fscott:
Voss, as long as I'm around your squad won't be taking the top 10 rankings in the P51.

Also, I don't understand what's wrong with the ranking system? If you are looking at overall rank that is useless. Just look at fighter rank if that's all you do is fly fighters. What's the problem?

And shouldn't kills/time be considered? If you get more kills with a small amount of time that should help you. If all you do is fly around at 20k and wait for that one easy kill you can dive down on then you deserve to be ranked last.

fscott

Anyone can grab a cannon kite and point&click thier way to alot of kills in a short time at a base that's under attack. And let's not forget vulching, I've watched guys (in aforementioned cannon kites) run up streaks of 15+ in less than 5 minutes at a verra hotly contested base. Every time they reverse for a pass they pick up at least one, sometimes 2 or 3 if they hit the spawn point on the runway just right.

Now let's penalize the guys who want to fly to live and take the time to climb to 20-25k and head for air between the base under attack and the base launching the attack. Then let's penalize them for the skill it takes to dance thier kite around up that high to saddle up and get the kill. Then let's penalize them for taking the time to return to base and land/rearm&refuel.

Kills/time should not weigh heavily, if at all, on fighter ranking. Everyone loves to scream this is a simulation. When did how many kills in x amount time matter in the real world, except maybe to the buff drivers praying the escort fights got all the bandits before the bandits got the formation.

All kills/time does is reward the furball-dinnae care of I die pilot with a ranking that isn't necessarily commenserate of thier skill.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:19:00 PM »

Cave, I'm missing your point, because anyone can grab a P51D and fly in 'safe mode'(aka, run when you're not at an advantage) and get a 42 to 1 K/D ratio...

OTOH, no one but you cares about your rank, so why even pay attention to scores? Fly, kill, enjoy the sim for what it is..

Beurling · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »

Hi DMF

Im writeing this just to you.

Please understand its not about score. Its about doing your best. Its about improveing each tour.

We have been through this before. You do not understand how i feel about stats. My fun Dmf, what drives me in this game is to beat my previous PB not someone elses. In short to improve.

You can auger every run i dont care. I know who you are and that your good.
This is not aw though. Most dont auger if they can land a run. Your style is a exception in ah i think DMF.
In aw3 Quakers ruled. Do they here?

EYE

fats2 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »

10 years of online flying and hasn't learned to forget the scoring crap. Oh dear.

// fats

Voss · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:36:00 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
So? Who the hell are you to make this kind of demand? Who the hell are you to dictate what is and is not important in regards to tallying score?

AKDejaVu

Deja, reading for comprehension might help.

I am C.O. of the 13th TAS. That's who the hell I am! The 13th follows my frag, and not HT's! That's my point.

fscott, you better get busy!

Rip, did lazs give you a piece of his blanket?

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fats2, (interesting) score has a lot to do with rank, and thus perks. We should have a level field with all other users. We won't, since we are dedicated to the Mustang. That's just not right.
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Lephturn · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »

Voss said:

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You are wrong, too, Leph. I have talked to a ton of guys online that don't even know the ranks are there! Go figure.

So, what am I wrong about again?

Here is what I said:

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It's in HTC's best interests to have more folks online as much as they can. Therefore, I expect the score and ranking system to reflect that. It seems it mostly does so.

It seems to me the scoring system does encourage or reward those that fly more in the context of the scoring system. How many people "know about" it is immaterial. The fact is, some folks do care about score, and for those folks, I believe the scoring system encourages them to do a bit of everything, and to spend a lot of time playing. I'm not claiming everyone is motivated by "score" or "rank", just that for those that are, the system encourages them to do things that HTC would like to reward, namely participating in a variety of different roles, and spending lots of time online. You may not agree with it, but it makes sense.

FWIW, telling a developer they are doing something "all WRONG" is not the best way to get a change made. A little diplomacy goes a long way if you are really interested in getting something changed. Next time I would suggest some carefully worded constructive criticism if you are looking for results.

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Voss · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:56:00 PM »

Last reply and I have to go do chores so I can fly tonight!

Leph, I don't think the ranks motivate people to fly more. It certainly doesn't do it for me! Check out the number one squad right now to see what I mean.

Now, if ranks were adjusted to take into account dedicated squads... Why not just penalize them for flying buffs/vehicles/boats?

Mission oriented squads like us need a place, too.

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Diplomacy be damned! Hang the politicians at the door!

We're talking customer feedback!
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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2001, 01:57:00 PM »

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The ranking is causing a conflict of interest, though. I want it stopped.

Please Voss, explain what this means. What conflict of interest? Conflict meaning that it doesn't encourage people to fly the way you believe they should? Conflict meaning that people flying the way you feel they should are not being rewarded accordingly?

Please explain it. I have this horrible problem with taking things litteraly.

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I am C.O. of the 13th TAS. That's who the hell I am!

That's great. Really neat. Now, maybe you could take a little time to tell me how this in any way shape or form entitles you to say "I want this stopped now" in regards to the scoring system? Or even in regards to other people's flying?

If it is about your squad, then I guess that credential carries some weight... but then this all should be taking place in your squad forum eh? If its not about your squad.. then it doesn't mean toejam, but thanks for stating it so clearly.

AKDejaVu

Voss · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

Geeze, deja, I thought you read me better then that.

I mean it is causing a conflict of interest within my squad. We want to do well in the ranks, but we also want to fly only the Mustang.

Do I have to spell everything out?

I have been guilty too (check stats), but no more.

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JoeMud · « **Reply #25 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »

do what i did....leave and play the box sims.

B17 2 is quite a blast...and you can fly the fighters too.

Ill be back for 1.06 though.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »

Voss, if recognition is what you are seeking, TAS 13th had it long before you were the CO, so in this community, the TAS13th is already viewed as the best P51D squadron online. Happy now? Pack your ego and get online so I can shoot your prettythang down.

BigGun · « **Reply #27 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

I am sure your stating it is all Wrong & demanding it be changed will go a long, long ways. If ya don't like it, don't fly.

BgMAW

anRky · « **Reply #28 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

LMAO at this whole thread!

Beurling wrote:
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In aw3 Quakers ruled. Do they here?

EYE
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When I see a thread mentioning the next scenario get only a few responses and no heated discussion, and a thread about score (of all things) receiving so much attention and debate, I have to say, 'Yes they do!'

anRky
-Ih8ubb
'Get rid of the bucket!'

Zigrat · « **Reply #29 on:** March 07, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

why am i scared because i find myself agreeing with akdejavu more and more