Author Topic: HT you are ranking this all WRONG! (Read 3238 times)

milnko · « **Reply #75 on:** March 08, 2001, 06:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime:
"Diplomacy" The art of saying "nice doggie" while ya hunt up a rock.

I like It! Gonna Steal it! U crack me up.

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Milenko

Kieran · « **Reply #76 on:** March 08, 2001, 07:44:00 AM »

Only one question I respectfully forward to you, Vruth; what happens in your Utopia if a guy comes in and doesn't want to be told what to do?

I seem to have gravitated to this topic much of late, and it is one that does in particular interest me. We have people that believe we need leadership, that play cannot be fun as we are having it. I'm of course especially fond of "Quakers High", the appellation of the esoteric set that want only mission-oriented play. For those who espouse that play so vigorously, where do low-time pilots figure in?

"We'll have the mission up in five minutes. Mission launches in 10 minutes!" (Let's see... that's 10 minutes tied up in the tower making sure I am ready when the "roll" command is sounded... only 50 minutes left of the hour I can alot...)

Point is, some guys are here only by the skin of their teeth time-wise. The would-be generals seem to want even that time and effort as their own.

lazs · « **Reply #77 on:** March 08, 2001, 08:15:00 AM »

geeze voss... just when i thought you had got over that egomaniac, lying, fruitcake thing too... Oh well.

I don't agree often with deja or sea... I even get em mixed up but at least I have fought em and they fight hard. I don't think a weazel like you would do well to "hunt" either of em down. If I ever "had alt" on you even once I surely don't recall... I don't recall ever seeing you or even seeing your name in the buffer ever.

I killed a lota AK's and they killed me a lot and ya know why? Cause we are there in the thick of it taking chances.

I say I don't care about rank but in a way I do.... If timidity is rewarded above everything else then we will have an arena of people in the fastest plane available doing there best to hide from each other and hoping to get that risk free "guy in the bathroom" kill every couple of hours.

One of the reasons I pushed for clickable six calls was to steal kills from some of the "patience equals skill" types. Make em fite.

I think we ought to make a sortie end when your wheels touch the ground too.
lazs

Toad · « **Reply #78 on:** March 08, 2001, 08:19:00 AM »

Kieran,

Don't make us send the "flight sim Gestapo" around to your house.

Surrender. You will be assimilated.

You will fly the way they want you to fly.

(...but seriously folks... he has a point)

The controversy you see on these boards will be seen in games that allow one player to make choices for all players. I'm not sure how that's going to work out in a pay-to-play environment.

For a second, just imagine that on any given night one player could determine the availabilty of certain aircraft in the planeset.

I don't think many of us would be real enthused about that.

You think everyone is going to love it when one guys is calling the shots tactically and strategically?

These boards are probably tame in comparison to that scenario!

Jigster · « **Reply #79 on:** March 08, 2001, 08:47:00 AM »

Another thread dedicated wasted bandwidth.

In an online community such as this the only thing you should worry about is the ol' persona, whatever it may be.

Moo.

Lephturn · « **Reply #80 on:** March 08, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »

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This scoring system is porked. It isn't fun for everyone, and you don't get it!

If you think it is possible to create a scoring system that is "fun for everyone", you have a very loose grasp of reality.

People have different definitions of what is "fun". You know that old saying "You can please all of the people some of the time. You can please some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people, all of the time." Lincoln wasn't it? It's the truth.

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MrSiD · « **Reply #81 on:** March 08, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »

I respect k/d over mass murder numbers..

If a guy has 500/480 k/d I will rank him lower than the guy with 20/4 k/d.

So in that respect the scoring really is wrong..

Vruth · « **Reply #82 on:** March 08, 2001, 09:41:00 AM »

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Yeah right Vruth....I just spent 8 hrs at a job with somebody telling me what to do, I come home to kill some time and blow off steam and now you want to make me take orders from some pansie-ass wanna-be virtual general who is gonna tell me what and when and where to fly?

I think there is a command called .squelch isn't there? Like .squelch stupid_general
or .squelch fscott

It's a utopia, that's all. No different than the people controlling the CV's...

Anyways, back to Voss... The way the system should works is that if you play more often and get good scores with 540/400 K/D, you should be rewarded differently than the person who flys maybe 10 missions and has 20/4 K/D. Seperate them into sorties? 1-50, 51-100? There is no easy solution, but the current one isn't perfect or fair either.

AND NO, I WILL NOT BE PLAYING WWII ONLINE. AH still rules.

Vruth
403 Bomber Sqn

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CavemanJ · « **Reply #83 on:** March 08, 2001, 10:00:00 AM »

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Originally posted by funked:
Sorry, climbing for 20 minutes before fighting should not be rewarded. That's not flying smart, that's flying BORING. Parasitic tactics like that should be discouraged by the scoring system.

hmmm.. guess most of the real pilots of WWII were parasites then...

I've taken a liking to flying to live. I get a nice feeling of accomplishment when I land and refuel a few times, then finally end the sortie with 7+ kill marks on the canopy rail. Even a one hope sortie with only 2-3 kills is nicely rewarding to hit .ef on the runway of a friendly base.

While furballs erupted in arial combat, the point was not launch, kill, kill, take damange, kill, die, wash, rinse, repeat. Death was death. Final, permanent. And here I see some realism advocates standing up for a scoring system that promotes quake-type flying of launch, kill, die, launch, kill, die, ad nauseum.

Voss · « **Reply #84 on:** March 08, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »

Only three things came out of this thread.

1) Lazs has no clue as to how the 13th does its work, and obviously hates me. I like that part. Lazs, your SA obviously suffers from lack of use. I knew you were there, you had no clue I was there. Your involvement in this thread has not been helpful, at all.

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2) DejaVu has no more clue then Lazs, but loves to spew hatred just as much. Deja, you are driving people from replying or posting by hugging these boards and ending opinions with your rebuttals *in detail.* It would be in HTC's interest to hear from these folks too. Think about it. Your involvement in this thread has not been helpful.

3) The game scoring system, as it is now, DOES NOT make everyone happy.

Surely, there is someone interested in statistical analysis that can show the error in the current tabulation method?

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Lephturn · « **Reply #85 on:** March 08, 2001, 11:16:00 AM »

LOL Voss. It is impossible to create anything that will make EVERYONE happy. With any system, some will like it, some will not, since we all have different things that make us "happy".

You can demand utopia all you want, but it's still not possible.

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Ice · « **Reply #86 on:** March 08, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »

Those rainbow colored Bomb Pops on a hot summer day made me happy.

HTC...can you somehow model that?

Voss · « **Reply #87 on:** March 08, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »

Leph, I'm not demanding anything!

HTC could make this real easy and just put into place something no one understands.

Now, if someone can be helpful, is there a link to a post discussing the scoring system? Specifically, I am looking for the formulae that determines overall rank, and fighter rank (though I think the later should be obvious you never know).

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Voss · « **Reply #88 on:** March 08, 2001, 11:40:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ice:
Those rainbow colored Bomb Pops on a hot summer day made me happy.

HTC...can you somehow model that?

Ice, I don't have a big house, but we need to have a TAS together down here! Bomb Pops, Fireworks, Fire Flies, Fishing, Watermelon, Strawberries, Floating the Buffalo, wading the creek, searching the caves for Fulsum's, Diamond hunts, the Devil's Ice Box, and the list goes on. There's even a lost treasure up in Devil's Den.

I know where there's some tame Mustangs we can give the kids a ride on, too.

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danish · « **Reply #89 on:** March 08, 2001, 11:53:00 AM »

Voss go http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/007850.html
where snefens explains the thingy rather well IMO.But its still unclear how the points is awarded.

Conclusion is that the current system (at least for Fighter Ranks) rewards the furballers NoJob/NoLife.

A breakdown of the different entities in the kalculation coupled with each plane should be possible - and still keep the current stats for the "I dont care about Stats"-crowd.

danish

44 and still cant spell

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Author Topic: HT you are ranking this all WRONG! (Read 3238 times)

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MrSiD

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